Fat Tire

Sit tight for a riveting ride from a basement brewery to a beer giant with our exploration of the New Belgium Brewing Company. Ever wondered how a simple bike ride in Belgium could inspire a beer that takes the world by storm? We unpack the fascinating history behind their famous Fat Tire beer, the story of founders Kim and Jeff, and the unique traditions that make this company truly special.

Have you ever bought a car and felt pushed around by a salesperson? We're conversing about how the car sales industry has shifted over the years and how it parallels with the beer sales industry. This includes the notion that salespeople aren't just living paycheck to paycheck, but should be able to provide a service. We also dive into the vibrant world of casinos, revealing personal stories from seeing Vanilla Ice live to winning gambling streaks. And yes, we discuss Rob Van Winkle’s Pine City connections too.

Finally, we’re stirring the pot on the controversy surrounding Phil Mickelson's alleged billion-dollar bet. When celebrities gamble such large sums, what implications does it have and how does it relate to Saudi Arabian 'sportswash'? Hold on to your seats as we dissect the details, the potential consequences, and the tumult it has caused. As we wrap up, we take a moment to reflect on the risks of betting big and what it would take to place a $450,000 wager. Your feedback is always appreciated and we encourage you to join us next week for more engaging discussions!

Transcript

Andy
Host
00:12
Welcome in to another episode, episode number two of Two Guys Into Beer. Andy Beckstrom, along with Sean Field, here for another episode as we work our way through. Probably our favorite part right here I mean it was in the intro, but that was the live and in-person version. 

Shawn
Host
00:31
That's a great intro right there. So, sounds more authentic Live, live beer crack. 

Andy
Host
00:39
Yeah, I mean who doesn't like live music better than you know? Like a generic thing. It's so good we're doing a one that I think we're both a little familiar with and I'm sure you're probably out there. Our New Belgium Fat Tire is what we're going to start with today. So you've had Fat Tire before. Enjoy what they got to offer. 

Shawn
Host
00:57
Oh yeah, I sure have. I've had Fat Tire quite a few times. It's a great beer. I love it. It's a little bit of a darker beer, of course, but it is very tasty. 

Andy
Host
01:05
Yeah, it's a pretty solid one. New Belgium they've branched out a lot more recently with a handful of things, but it's definitely grown from their humble beginnings. I guess you could say on the can you see 1991. Kim and Jeff I don't have the name here, I'll get the name here in a little bit, but Kim and Jeff were the owners. 

Shawn
Host
01:28
I like Kim and Jeff. They were quite fantastic, great people yeah. 

Andy
Host
01:31
March and 91, they installed brewing equipment in the basement of their Fort Collins home in Colorado. Really, Started in the basement. So that's interesting, like so many probably have, and not many have grown since then. Familiar story, I suppose. Right, it started apparently as kind of the Fat Tire came from. They had done a bike ride in Belgium, so that was where the new Belgium and the Fat Tire that all kind of came from that ride, what you're doing on a bike ride and you're like, you know what I want to start something with beer, Okay. 

Shawn
Host
02:09
The bike ride was in Belgium as in the country Yep it was. 

Andy
Host
02:13
Let's see here if I can get to the right place here that they're just biking through Belgium and decided beers they're calling. Yep, that was the route that they were going to go, inspired by a bike ride. 

Shawn
Host
02:24
Were they on a Fat Tire bike? 

Andy
Host
02:25
I think they have those bikes back then. That's a good point. I don't know that they did. I feel like that's more of a recent thing. Maybe, yeah, probably, I don't know, I don't know much. For a good story. That's true. Yeah, I don't know much about Fat Tire bikes. Really, I've seen them for that. They do really well in snow. They're light there, you go. 

02:43
Let's see here, kim, one of the owner, inspired a lot of core values inspired. She was a social worker so I kind of inspired, kind of some of the core values to try to give back or something. With that, kim became the first bottler and sales rep, financial plumber and everything, eventually scaling it into a huge brewery, naturally, but Kim did basically everything. It sounds like maybe Jeff did more of the brewing, but Kim was kind of the big thing. 

Shawn
Host
03:12
It almost sounds like Moose had all over again. The woman takes the lead and starts brewing the beer and handling business. 

Andy
Host
03:20
Yeah, so it's kind of really. It's what we're learning here is we should just turn everything over. 

Shawn
Host
03:25
Women do everything. I think, it's time Men have had the past 2000 years. Let's give the next 2000 to women. 

Andy
Host
03:32
Absolutely Equal rights. I think it's a fantastic idea. In the meantime, june of 1991, they make two beers Fat Tire is one of them and then a Belgian style double called Abbey, and both, at the Colorado Brew Festival, did well and 93 Abbey Ayle wins a gold award for the specialty category because Belgian style beers were so rare that they didn't even have their own category. So it actually beat other beers in a more generic category. 

Shawn
Host
04:02
Wow, so Belgian style beer is relatively new to that. 

Andy
Host
04:05
Yeah, At that time in the early mid 90s, there just wasn't a lot out there. I mean there's a little bit more now, but it definitely was not real prevalent at that time. 

Shawn
Host
04:14
So they created a whole new category of beer. Essentially. Yeah, isn't there beer in? 

Andy
Host
04:20
Belgium. Yeah, it's a Belgian style beer, so that's it's. It's it's popular there, but as far as US, brands as far as over here as far as over here, they didn't have much with that. 

Shawn
Host
04:28
I was going to say the Belgians are behind the times, right. 

Andy
Host
04:32
Got it. 

Shawn
Host
04:33
In America. 

Andy
Host
04:34
Yeah, they outgrew by 95 and got a new production facility just down the street, new Belgium in 99, my graduating year, january 99. 

Shawn
Host
04:44
I mean I graduated in. 

Andy
Host
04:45
January it was more later than that, malacca Wolf they decided to do a new tradition of a 1999 electric cruiser bicycle. Every single employee on their one year anniversary gets a free bike. Interesting, interesting kind of you know, is it an electric bike, or is that the color? I think it's just a regular bike Electric. It's an electric cruiser, so I don't know. I'd have to maybe it is, but I would assume that it's probably just a regular one, but I don't know. 

Shawn
Host
05:13
You might have to Google that and see when an electric cruiser bike is. In fact, I'll do that here. There we go. 

Andy
Host
05:19
I'll carry on early 2000. The Sauer Brown Ale is bottled and sold, so they start venturing out using French oak barrels. They start venturing out into a lot of different things. And then summer of 2003,. We talked a little bit about previously, about some of the stuff that you're doing at your house. In 2003, they started their own in-house sustainability corporation and started doing solar panels and different things for environmental change, including also a wastewater treatment facility on site as well. So trying to kind of create themselves to be self-sustainable. In August of 2009, they implement what was at the time the largest private solar array in the state of Colorado, generating 3% of electricity and 16% of the peak load. So they're still generating a ton of electricity just for the state of Colorado, not just for their brewery. 

Shawn
Host
06:18
Wow, so they generate 3% of the entire state's electricity. 

Andy
Host
06:24
Yeah, that's what it says. Wow. So they have a ton of total electricity needs and 16% of peak load. So even when it gets, when things get real hot and heavy in the afternoon you know sun beating down they're turning that energy back and being able to kind of give back to the state and energy efforts. December 2012, I think you'd probably you know like this as well becomes 100% employee owned. The staff buys the remaining ownership from Kim Jordan and her family and goes from a 1% ownership to 100% ownership 457 coworkers, so a completely employee owned at that time. 

Shawn
Host
07:01
So the two don't even own it anymore. 

Andy
Host
07:03
No, they didn't own it, but they were still involved quite. I mean, they sure, I'm sure they had a 1% stake or whatever. 

07:09
Some kind of contract or some legal stuff Still part of the thing. Then they opened another location on the East Coast in Asheville just to kind of, you know, bring some variety to the East Coast. The interviewed that's here Kim I had was still involved in things was at NPR for how I built this and had a unique interview talking about how she rolls from such modest, from the basement to how big it is with that unique business model. 

Shawn
Host
07:38
It's pretty crazy. It took what? 91 to 94? They were in their basement for three years and they already got that big and wow. 

Andy
Host
07:47
Just exploded since then. That's pretty awesome. However, I mean I don't know that this is necessarily a negative thing, just more of a different thing. January of 2020. So just a couple of years ago, new Belgium employees vote in favor of Lion Little World beverage acquiring New Belgium brewing with a commitment to continuing the force for good mission, so bought out, now owned by Lion Little World, but they still are called New Belgium and they still have their own deal and they're still continuing what they've done to be able to do that. 

Shawn
Host
08:18
I wonder if all those employee owners get a share of that. I wonder. 

Andy
Host
08:23
I would assume so, since they're all equal shared owners at that point. 

Shawn
Host
08:27
I wonder if that's similar to how the Green Bay Packers do their ownership thing with the fans over there. I wonder if that was kind of the same thing for this Belgium style fat tire stuff Right, yeah, it's got to be something close to that. 

08:40
There's another sports team not to get too off the topic here, this awesome beer. Just recently another sports team had done that. Oh, who was it? No, I can't think. But you can buy all the Atlanta Braves. You can buy shares of the Atlanta Braves stock. Okay, and all in part of it that way. 

Andy
Host
08:57
Okay, so from is it Ted Turner I? 

Shawn
Host
09:01
was one of the turners, I don't know. 

Andy
Host
09:03
I guess I don't even know if he's still alive, he still owns them or not, or if maybe that's why it became kind of an ownership thing. But huh, kind of interesting. They'll have to get to some shares in Atlanta Braves stock and send Ronnie Latt to card for falling off the first base 91. 

Shawn
Host
09:19
Yeah, he fell off. All right, can't hurt back head. 

Andy
Host
09:23
No sway, definitely not nudged even a little bit, and then kind of wrap up a new Belgium after nearly three decades, in August 2020, they are certified carbon neutral. So kind of interesting introspective any history of new belgium beer and kind of started with the fat tire and that's kind of their kind of. Their OG, I guess, is you know what the kids call it, you know the OG. So that was we were talking a little bit before. This fat tire is one of the first beers that you know. When you know, when you're kind of younger and you're kind of dabbling into well, let's, let's try with this drinking thing. It's all about what do I like? And you know I got to be the cool kid that you know it does whatever and it's like okay, well, you're drinking Coors light and you know keystone and you know Whatever's cheap because you're also still a kid whatever you know a good beer tastes like, yet You're still drinking that garbage exact after. 

10:13
Those are necessarily garbage, but it depends on what you're looking for. Like, if I'm gonna be mowing the lawn or playing softball or something like that, I'm gonna get a flat of Mick golden, you know. I mean, we're gonna, we're gonna be rolling Coors lights all day, you know, after after bowling, you know like to go to the moose lodge and have about six or 17 bush lights Kind of did time and place depends on you know. So, to a certain set which, interestingly enough, another tangent Tuesday, on a Monday, there is a interview that I had read at one point time with we're talking to Pete Coors, the Coors label, and he it took. What was it? Something like eight or ten years of People convincing him that blue moon could succeed. He's like, absolutely not. 

10:52
I just don't understand how people can drink one beer. If I'm gonna go out and mow the lawn, I want to have like three beers and then have another one after I'm done, admiring my work and like he wanted to, like his ideas. It's refreshing, not, it's not an alcoholic thing, more of a refreshing Light, easy drinking beer where you can have. You know, of course I mean that's also a sales thing. If you drink 12 of them today, you got to buy another case tomorrow, you know. 

Shawn
Host
11:14
That's another point is to make money. 

Andy
Host
11:16
And so the the blue moon brand never really got a lot of advertising, never really got a lot of support, and he was gonna pull the plug on it constantly and finally, like after many years, it just boomed and succeeded and just kind of popped up out of nowhere and he was kind of like, well, I guess we can let it exist. So he never really was a big fan of that. So. But yeah, I was probably kind of the same way. You know what I mean. Like he said, when you're younger you don't have that refined palette. Get into something else. But yeah, this fat tire was a Family friend, had kind of tried to introduce me a little bit and I tried it and I'm like, oh, this is gross, this is really not good, but it's one of those that I actually came back to you know, you know I didn't just like, oh, this is gross and that's it. 

11:56
It was almost, see. And then my buddy, tony, I showed up to a party that I had when I was younger and brought to Killian's Irish red, and the rest is history for me, and it's been down that rocky path the entire time since then. 

Shawn
Host
12:11
Yeah, just like he said, fat tire was one of the first couple that I tried, probably my mid 20s. That was Different than a course light or a Miller light. It was turned on to me by a group of friends down in the cities actually went to that. I actually recall this. So I don't know, but they went to Buffalo Wild Wings there in Coon Rapids and they had fat tire on tap there and the guy there his name was Andy. 

Andy
Host
12:35
He's a cool dude. 

Shawn
Host
12:37
They're all pretty cool. He's like you ought to try this fat tire, and I'm like okay, so I tried it off the tap there. I'm like I don't know about this, and but I kept going back to it too. And now it's, it's a damn good beer, you know it's. It's one you can never go wrong with, that's for sure. 

Andy
Host
12:52
And they're, they're, they're brand like. I mean the fat tires, obviously a solid one, and they got a handful of other ones. But generally, like, when you think New Belgium you almost think fat tire. Before you think New Belgium, you don't really think like the name. It's more like that was about the only one that they had for the longest time. Last handful of years they've come out with like the voodoo Ranger line. So there's like three, four like IPA sites in Imperial, a juicy haze, like a bunch of them there. They've almost become that's become almost his own brand. There you talk about fat tire being its own thing, like voodoo Ranger is almost like for the longest time I didn't realize it was even from New Belgium. I just I'm like, well, I'm gonna get some voodoo, or my brother-in-law we like to call it, we like to be high level and French, so we call it the durage year, like to say, because then it's not just you're drinking voodoo, you put your pinky up to absolutely High classes. 

13:42
You know that's what, that's how we roll, but yeah, no, that that voodoo Ranger lines becomes kind of its own Beast off to you know the other side, a whole different element of it. So I wonder if that was part of that original ownership group or the original people that were involved, or if that was the new group that took it over, kind of when that started. 

Shawn
Host
14:01
But it's a fantastic stuff, though you just say those original owners was Kim, and I don't even know the guy's name. 

Andy
Host
14:08
You can. 

Shawn
Host
14:09
Kim does it all Kim, and, yeah, kim and Jeff Jordan. Are they still involved at all anymore, or is it now just that new company, that kind of bought them out? 

Andy
Host
14:17
After they bought it. I wonder if they aren't still kind of yeah. 

Shawn
Host
14:23
Have some sort of involvement. Maybe they're in top management with the company or something maybe yeah, it just. 

Andy
Host
14:29
You know a just a quick little google on it. Co-founder Kim Jordan and Jeff LeBesh. So really it was just Kim Jordan, you know. I think Jeff was maybe involved, but you know. 

Shawn
Host
14:39
I'll give it up for Kim. 

Andy
Host
14:40
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's a very much ours but yeah, it sounds like you know, maybe she's not really involved anymore, you know, it's just involved by somebody else, which I mean, hey, if you can build something and you can grow something into, you know something that's worth Buying. I guess you know what I mean. If that makes sense, absolutely take advantage of that. And who wouldn't want to have that opportunity? But like, well, I mean you want to keep, you want to keep part of it you know you want to. 

Shawn
Host
15:04
You still wonder if you grew it yourself. 

Andy
Host
15:07
But at the same time it's like, alright, well, now I have to never worry about anything. I kind of want to go to visit whatever that one, the moose had brewery and let's just go right, get in the plane, you know, fly out there. It's not, you know, something you need to worry about. 

Shawn
Host
15:22
But yeah, I think that'd be tough. You know, starting a company and then selling it off and not having any part of it. You know all that work you put into it, you know. But I suppose if the price is right, everything's for sale. It doesn't matter what it is, I don't care who you are or what it is, everything's for sale for the right price. Oh, absolutely hundred percent. 

15:41
Yeah, I couldn't find anything on the Google machine about these bikes that they gave away, so if there are any listeners out there that has any clue about these bikes, shoot us a message, put it in the comments. A picture or something. Let us know what it is. 

Andy
Host
15:54
It's kind of an interesting thing that that type of bike I don't know, you know what it is or where, what are the idea, color or maybe oh maybe it's just something that they. Maybe it's their own bike, maybe it's not I don't know what they bought on a Walmart. 

Shawn
Host
16:09
I have my doubts. 

Andy
Host
16:10
I mean it's possible, but they're called electro. Sounds like a color electro Electra, some electric cruiser. 

16:22
No, I don't know, I don't know if it's what it is, but I don't know. I mean, it's kind of a cool thing. How many places did you work at that? You know, I will either. How many places you work at, you don't get anything. I think you know, years ago, when we worked at a retail fashion, after one year you got like a little sticker Is what it was. That was. That was kind of the level of what it is, you know, I think I mean not that it's, nothing but 18 cent raise exactly. 

16:48
I think at this point I don't know that I even get anything until I get to about 20 years and then they just kind of Verbally, acknowledge me and then I get back to work. But you know, that's the nature of nature of the beast, yeah you can't complain too much. 

Shawn
Host
17:01
You know employers employ you. They give you a paycheck to do your job. 

Andy
Host
17:05
Mm-hmm. 

Shawn
Host
17:05
That's just what it is, you know absolutely you find a place, it gives you extras. That's great. But they don't have to. You're there to do a job and they give you a paycheck for said job. 

Andy
Host
17:14
So take advantage of the, the opportunity that you can. Why not get yourself into whatever position you can to be able to make what you're comfortable with? I guess that's to a certain extent that's also part of it too, is you know, I'm willing to make more but sacrifice. How shady of a person do I have to? I sold cars for like a minute. Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't bad. I'm not trying to like rag on you know car salesman or anything, because you know they're fine and it's whatever, but the fine city at the place. 

17:46
Some of the people I worked with were really good, and one of them is actually now the sales manager over there. I'd go back and work for him, no problem. But the guy that we, that we worked for at the time, or whatever, at like six months, was too much. I just couldn't. It was so shady and everything. He might actually be in jail at this point, I'm not really sure, but it was such a, it was just an awful. 

18:03
Like you want to talk about Every single stereotype falling out of the woodwork. It was, you know, like everybody's like oh, it's not, like that is not gonna be, like that it's. It's changed over the years. It's not like it used to be and I'm like it was worse than so, yeah, that was. You know, I mean, it was a thing, but you know it's that's also. You know, like that's why it only lasted, like you know, handful of months or whatever. I was like I don't want to do that. You know like I just can't. If I'm gonna, like I'm gonna, I'm willing to do that, but I'm gonna tell somebody that, like don't buy this thing, it's a piece of crap. Like I'll help you find something else, like let's see if we can't get on the old machine, the old interwebs. Let's find something that's gonna work for you, even if you don't buy it for me. I'm here to be able to help you, and I think that's kind of where that's become now. 

Shawn
Host
18:45
I should be. I mean, cars are such a major purchase and they're they're so important to people that's their second largest purchase beyond the house, if you can even afford a house. You know, and they're people take cars personal and they're real important to them. You know it's not just another. Nicknack in the house like it's more important than that Absolutely. 

Andy
Host
19:07
Yeah it. I don't know. I think you know the more. I don't know what experience you've had more lately, like I've had better experiences with salespeople lately, like they seem to be more interested in well, let's find, let's see if we have something we can help you with. But if you don't buy something, that's totally fine. But I think that's you gotta make sure that you know whoever you're paying is like. They're not like living paycheck to paycheck on a Non-sales kind of thing you know like or be able to have the volume that you can do that. But I feel like it's been a much better experience since then. But I'm also on the receiving end of it. 

19:37
So maybe they're just better than I was, yeah. 

Shawn
Host
19:39
I think salespeople are less pushy now. You know, they still throw in their verbs and their adjectives. I'm like, okay, he's just trying to sell me something, yeah, but that is their job too. But they do seem a little more Helpful than just buy this now. Oh, we have 30% off today only. 

Andy
Host
19:56
Yeah, okay. 

Shawn
Host
19:57
I'll get it 30% off a month now if I want exactly here. 

Andy
Host
20:00
Let's go for a test drive. You just fill out this form here real quick. I'll drop it off with finance. You know, like it's not quite like that. 

Shawn
Host
20:08
Initial these three spots and you'll be set exactly. 

Andy
Host
20:10
Yeah, yeah, thank you, sir, what's my interest rate? You don't need to worry about that, we'll get you all set. 

Shawn
Host
20:15
I will make sure your payment is right where you need to be exactly. 

Andy
Host
20:19
Yeah, they might last for 36 years, but you know like the payment will be right in the sweet spot, right. So, yeah, that was, that was an interesting time. But yeah, I mean, find something you like, find something you're willing to do and sometimes even sacrifice some of that just to Girls of wisdom. From Andy, I promise I've only had a half of a fat tire, I'm not getting too deep into it, so I didn't want to ask you. They'd have a kind of a question about some news that I had read Over the last week, or maybe it was longer than that or whatever. But I wanted to kind of get kind of your general take and what your feelings are on it. Do you do much gambling at all? 

Shawn
Host
20:59
And I'm not a ton I do enjoy gambling. I love the atmosphere. I love going to a casino. I love the sights, the sounds, the lights, right people watching. 

Andy
Host
21:09
But I don't gamble a lot because they never win right, you don't go in and like drop like 500 bucks and just like you know, I am just trying to comp a room kind of bit or anything Not at all the atmosphere, though I do like, because I am going to Vegas here in a week and I've probably been there eight, eight, nine times now. 

Shawn
Host
21:26
I just love it down there. 

Andy
Host
21:27
Absolutely. Yeah, it's Vegas is quite fantastic. I'm kind of the same way, though, like I don't you know, like I think the last time I went to Vegas, like I think, I brought a couple hundred dollars with. Like you know, we were there for four days. I'm like I'm not spending a ton of money, I'm just the bare minimum. You know, we'll do a little bit here, a little bit there, and I think the first day at one, like so we just went to a bunch of shows at that point, and you can do that down there I mean not so much now, like it's changed a lot. 

Shawn
Host
21:52
For the first time I went there, you can go there with nothing and have a good time. You can't really do that anymore. It's a little different now, it's still a good time down there. 

Andy
Host
22:00
So and I dabble in a little bit, you know, I mean I don't do a ton. You know, like I said, like if I go to the casino here 20, 40 bucks or something like that, if it, if you have the power ball or the mega billions is high, I'll go and throw 10, 20 dollars or something foolishly. But you know so, why not? Why not win a billion dollars? You know, you know it'd be kind of fun to do. 

Shawn
Host
22:18
We were just up there, maybe roughly a month ago. My wife and I went up there. We went to the back to the 90s. Do her, of course, the headliner the second night. The second night was vanilla ice, who's awesome, by the way. If you've never seen vanilla ice live, you're missing out. The dude is so good, he's so awesome, he's so much fun. It's just amazing. Well, anyways, when we were in there gambling, jeff and Shelley came with us. Jeff was gambling on the Buffalo machine. He put in a hundred bucks and was winning, winning, winning. I'm like this is ridiculous. My good for him, but I guarantee you, when I put in money, I'm not gonna win. 

22:55
So I went to a different Buffalo machine, put in a hundred bucks. Within an hour I lost it all, while he's over there just winning, winning, winning. I'm like of course. So I worked out great for him, you know, but not so great for me. But right. 

Andy
Host
23:08
So I know, I actually know the drummer for vanilla ice. 

Shawn
Host
23:11
Yeah, from pine, city Hmm. 

Andy
Host
23:13
That's a. 

Shawn
Host
23:14
You know the guy I started broadcasting with it's his son, Really yeah so I actually when you KBK Mm-hmm, yeah, when I went, I very first started for that. 

Andy
Host
23:23
Yep, that's his one Yep, that's his son. He was like I knew. I knew when he was a high school kid like playing that, the quintoms or whatever for the pet band. 

Shawn
Host
23:30
I try to help. Hmm, trent, yeah yeah, trying to do all that sort of stuff. He did drum in theory of a dead man for a minute. 

Andy
Host
23:38
He's a super nice guy. He's just a very down-to-earth person. Like he looks like I mean he's got that, you know, A little mohawk and you know like he's got kind of that vibe or whatever. But you talk to him or whatever and he's Just a very down-to-earth, easy-going guy. Super nice guy is his father. 

Shawn
Host
23:54
Mm-hmm, that is interesting. Yeah, yeah, I did find out too. He doesn't Tour with vanilla ice. I mean, he does the tour, yeah, but he flies back to Minneapolis. He stays in Minneapolis and then every day to like he'll fly out and do the show and come back and actually vanilla ice. His name is Rob van Winkle, if you didn't know that. He actually comes to Pine City and hangs out with him and his family. Yep, he went to the Pine County Fair last year. You know, I just was hanging out at the fair doing rides, drinking a beer like anything else. 

Andy
Host
24:22
Oh, it's funny. 

Shawn
Host
24:22
I don't think they had a fat tire. I have me don't probably a bushlight over there, so yeah, you went to two years ago and I saw vanilla ice and Duluth. Rob van Winkle put out Toby's and Hinckley Mm-hmm, he's like I had the best sitting on a roll I've ever had, right there, toby's. If you haven't ever sitting on the roll, you gotta go to Toby's and get a cinnamon roll. 

Andy
Host
24:43
Yeah, and I mean, if he I know kind of what he looks like, but I knew what he looked like, then you know what I mean. And so now he just looks like a tall dude with a bunch of tattoos. You know what I mean. Like he doesn't look Maybe a little out of place place in Pine City to a certain extent, but not like oh, this guy's a thing you know what I mean Just more of a, like a who's this Joker, you know, something like that. But you know I he's. That's what even Trent said, the same thing. You know I have talked to whatever. It's like he's just a nice guy, but he do, he knows him obviously. Like he's just good friends with them. 

25:13
Right he was very good friends, like I talked to him recently or whatever he's like the, the when Culeo died. Well, like that actually hit him really hard because he knew him from a lot of touring and so like he'd fly out and just visit him in Compton. 

Shawn
Host
25:25
Oh, really. Yeah, he's like I didn't really walk to all that. 

Andy
Host
25:30
I think for a lot of reasons. But you know he's like yeah, we just you know that, hey, you want to fly out. He's like all right, sir you know. 

Shawn
Host
25:37
So when Culeo it says fly out, you should probably fly out and go hang out. 

Andy
Host
25:40
Oh absolutely yeah. Why would you miss out on something like that? So yeah, it's kind of a small world yeah exactly. 

Shawn
Host
25:46
Really cool. You still a talk to Trent once a while, every so often not, not super often, I'm not. 

Andy
Host
25:50
I'm not trying to play that like we're like besties or go away, go, go way back or anything, but if I see him in public or something like that or whatever, like we'd be able to stop and have a conversation. 

Shawn
Host
26:00
You know what? 

Andy
Host
26:00
I mean, like I know that me and Adam at one point talked about trying to find time to like go out to dinner with Him or something. But sure he's so busy with stuff going on that you know it's kind of you know how adult friendships and everything you know, even us we're gonna get together for a beer. For you know, at some point in time in like two years Later. 

Shawn
Host
26:17
How about that beer? 

Andy
Host
26:19
Oh yeah, let's figure it out soon, you absolutely. 

Shawn
Host
26:25
Exactly. Hey, what's this question about gambling we're getting? 

Andy
Host
26:29
oh yeah, that's right. Well, it's, let's, let's take the. Yeah, we'll take the access road and get back under the main highway here. So so the reason I kind of go down that route or whatever is every so often, in addition to, you know, like the mega millions or stuff like that or whatever, hopefully the you know, the SEC or whoever it is that would alcohol game, a GE or whatever gambling enforcement doesn't come after me, but I like to bet like a $20 bill with my buddy Bondo on like the twins or something, not a game, but like for the whole season, you know. I mean, so it's not like we're, we're not doing like heavy lifting here, anything like that. So come after me if you got it, but we're pretty much a wash at this point. 

Shawn
Host
27:04
Jackson can be pretty heavy Exactly we get. 

Andy
Host
27:08
So we will try to pick, you know, like above and over under for the year on wins or something like that, you know. So we try to do something minor like that. But I was recently reading an article and I don't know if you've seen this or you know where I'm headed with this or not, but there is a bookie that recently came out and I remember that it made a bookie but apparently he's a big deal in big time bookie. Somebody took a bunch of excerpts out of there. And there is a former professional athlete that had losses in the ballpark of a hundred million dollars, wow and overall had bet in the area of one billion dollars. 

Shawn
Host
27:47
So I do know what you're talking about, because I read the headline, but I didn't read about it. Oh my God, phil. 

Andy
Host
27:51
Mickelson, phil Mickelson. He even tried to place a allegedly as what we'll qualify that with that, a bet in the ballpark of I think it was like $440,000 or something on the I believe it was the 2012 Ryder Cup, which he was playing in, but the book. He apparently told him no, don't mess with your legacy, we're not gonna play that game. So who knows if he actually still made that better or not. It's up to everybody's imagination. Phil has obviously came out and completely denied it all, but whatever. 

Shawn
Host
28:20
But what was that? $400 and how many thousand Like 450 grand. 450 grand on a single bet. 

Andy
Host
28:26
Yep, that is insane On the US to win the Ryder Cup, which they actually ended up losing the Ryder Cup that year. Monumental comeback by the Europeans. 

Shawn
Host
28:34
Oh man. How many Ryder Cups is USA one? I don't. They don't seem to win a whole lot, do they? 

Andy
Host
28:42
I think they won the last and Europeans have dominated it for a while, but. 

28:45
I want to say I thought that they won the most recent one, if I remember correctly, and I want to say it was either this one or the like the last two. They played very well and kind of ran away with the thing. But yeah, there was a period of time for probably 20, 30 years where maybe the US only won one of them, I think dating back to sometime in the 90s. They had like an exciting one, I think, in Georgia or something that they won that they were being ridiculed across Europe because they were like shaking beers off of like a balcony of the clubhouse or something. 

Shawn
Host
29:16
after they won, I don't follow golf so much I'm not a huge fan of golf, but that's what I remember before. Is it always being the Europeans winning the Ryder Cup and United States never being that great, right, great at it? Yeah, I'm just looking up how much Phil Mickelson is worth, just out of curiosity. If you can bet $1 billion and stuff. 

Andy
Host
29:37
I feel like that's gone up and down quite a bit over the last handful of years, of course. 

Shawn
Host
29:43
According to celebritynetworthcom, he has a net worth of 300 million. 

Andy
Host
29:49
Well, I mean, I guess he is coming back and doing a bunch of promotional things and the live. The live is probably what's helping him, because I think he got like $300 million from the Saudis to be part of that golf. 

Shawn
Host
29:59
Yeah, that's right, yeah, and that doesn't seem to be going over so well. No, no, no, but they apparently merge now with the PGA or something under some other, apparently they have a ton of money over there though, but I suppose all that oil over there you can get what you want. 

Andy
Host
30:13
That's the big major controversy is the Saudis are trying to buy soccer clubs and buy all sorts of stuff too. They call it sports wash, where it's like oh no, don't worry about all of our civil awful things and genocide and whatnot, like look at how good our soccer team is, things like that. So it sounds like that's kind of what they're maybe trying to do. But I thought it was kind of an interesting article. I just couldn't fathom. I mean, obviously, if he lost $100 million but he bet a billion, clearly he's won some in there because there's a $900 million swing on losses to whatever. But that's still like you just can't even fathom. That's just a ton of money I can't even fathom. 

30:55
But I guess to a certain extent and I was listening to radio somebody made the point the other day that if you bet $20, you don't get nothing righting on it. You know what I mean. If you bet $100 on the outcome of this game or whatever, you don't come. You got to put some skin in the game to really actually get the high from it To make anything. And so he's making like $200,000 to $500,000 bets. You know what I mean. 

Shawn
Host
31:16
Yeah, like anything, the old saying it takes money to make money, even when you bet. You know, like I used to bet on bodedogcom like $5 bets here and there for the fun of it. You don't make squad on that, you know. So, yeah, just like, if you want to make money doing it, you got to spend a ton of money. I suppose somebody like Phil Mickelson isn't too concerned about making money off betting. They're just doing it for the high and for the fun of it. Exactly, you know all the stories of Michael Jordan betting in Las Vegas all the time huge sums of money Out on the golf course he bets like per hole, like $20,000 per hole, you know. Yeah Well, charles Barkley, he's been reportedly what bet tens of millions of dollars throughout his career too, and losing it. 

Andy
Host
31:57
You know why you still working for TNT, right, Although I love him as a commentator. Absolutely love that guy. 

Shawn
Host
32:03
There's no filter on that guy. 

Andy
Host
32:04
No, nothing whatsoever. 

Shawn
Host
32:05
And he probably would have even less of a filter if he wasn't on like a national TV. You know, even though he still is, there's very little filter on there, right. 

Andy
Host
32:15
Yeah, he's quite fantastic. That entire TNT crew is top notch really it is pretty good. 

Shawn
Host
32:21
I don't watch a ton of basketball, regular season especially. 

Andy
Host
32:23
But I like basketball, but just the NBA is just so hard. 

Shawn
Host
32:26
It's getting pretty rough. 

Andy
Host
32:27
It's so hard to watch anymore, although it's starting, I will admit, like especially even the Wolves. It's starting to get a little bit better. It's starting to get a little bit more wide open. They're starting to move the ball a little bit more, but it got so ISO for so long. 

Shawn
Host
32:39
I still can't stand it. I hate watching the Wolves. I hate Carl Anthony Towns. He's a wuss, oh. He does his wine. Every play he throws his hands in the air. Oh, I'm found, oh my gosh, like dude shut up. But he has changed the game. You're in the NBA. 

Andy
Host
32:54
He's changed the way big men play the game yeah he sure has. 

Shawn
Host
32:59
This is ridiculous, although I still do like the Timber Wolves. I still do follow the Timber Wolves. Did you happen to notice their new uniforms? 

Andy
Host
33:05
They come out with this shirt. I did. I liked those. Those are pretty. I think that's pretty sweet. Yeah, absolutely. 

Shawn
Host
33:10
Yeah, it almost kind of looks like water or something on the top of the uniform. It's got like our state like on the belt, yeah, so it's 10,000 lakes like on a like I don't know what you would call it. Cuff of the shorts, right? Yeah, it kind of blends a little on this. Yeah. 

Andy
Host
33:26
Yeah, I think it's a pretty sweet, sweet look that I've seen. Yeah, what else you got? That's kind of about what I got. 

Shawn
Host
33:34
One last thing I'll throw at you for tonight. I just happened to come across this meme the other day about quarterbacks for the San Francisco 49ers. I mean, let's be honest, the first two that pop into your mind are going to be Joe Montana and Steve Young. I mean, name somebody before them. 

Andy
Host
33:53
I can't. 

Shawn
Host
33:55
Don't have a clue, but anyways, the meme was about which quarterback? There's only one quarterback in San Francisco 49ers history that's thrown for 30 touchdowns in back-to-back years. 

Andy
Host
34:07
Only one has done that if you're gonna tell me that it was Jimmy Garoppolo, I'm gonna throw like the full can of triple at you or something. 

Shawn
Host
34:15
It is not Jimmy Garoppolo, colin Kaepernick. It is not Colin Kaepernick. I was surprised by this. Is it old? It's, he's got to be newer. It's newer than the Steve Yellen drum Montana. Okay, you'd think it would have been either one of those two. 

Andy
Host
34:29
Jeff Garcia. 

Shawn
Host
34:30
It is Jeff Garcia, there we go. 

Andy
Host
34:31
I, because I knew Jeff Garcia was good, but he always gets ragged on for being so bad. I thought he was solid, he was pretty decent, you know, he just wasn't, that was a handful of good years. 

Shawn
Host
34:40
I mean most time he was probably, you know, middle of the pack, yeah, but those couple years in San Francisco he was pretty top-notch. 

Andy
Host
34:47
I think the biggest problem is that he was right after Steve Young and he wasn't Steve Young. He could run and he could throw a little bit, but he wasn't, and so I think he just got like, well, this guy's awful, get him out of here, but it's like we're still pretty good right. 

Shawn
Host
35:01
But that's not another thing I wanted to share. This is more like if it did you know thing. It wasn't. There's nothing related to anything we're ever talking about on these podcasts, but it was just kind of interesting. 

Andy
Host
35:12
I get the NBC the more you know. 

Shawn
Host
35:16
Like it just came across and I was scrolling the social media, of course, and it was. Did you know? The average adult male Only changes their sheets on their bed four times a year. 

Andy
Host
35:28
I mean that sounds probably, that's probably sounds probably is accurate. 

Shawn
Host
35:32
I got me thinking about when I was single. I'm like you know, I don't think I ever changed my sheets, but I washed them once a month. Yeah, yeah my couch more than I did in my bed. Yeah, exactly. 

Andy
Host
35:42
Yeah, it was not. You know Like I was such a pain to do that. You know, like just. 

Shawn
Host
35:48
Exactly Okay. This little stupid little did you know things? I'm like, oh okay. 

Andy
Host
35:56
Oh, right on. Yeah Well, now we're dropping more knowledge. You know, we were dropping pearls of wisdom at the end or the beginning, and now I you know dropping some knowledge After the fat tire cans almost gone. 

Shawn
Host
36:06
That's the stuff that comes out exactly, yeah, she bed sheets. 

Andy
Host
36:11
There we go. So yeah, a recap of you know the new Belgium beer. You know a little bit of that. A little bit of talk, of that talk to will fill Mickelson a little bit and I hope you enjoyed listening this week. If you want a little brief preview, we'll have on next week for a beer, a beverage. 

Shawn
Host
36:29
Yeah, next week will be reviewing old style beer out of lacrosse, wisconsin, and, interesting enough, it is coming back to the cross. 

Andy
Host
36:38
Oh, we'll talk about that. This is time I like I gonna have to tune in. 

Shawn
Host
36:42
Unfortunately, you're gonna have to tune in and listen to us again next week. Yeah, here all about old style. 

Andy
Host
36:46
Yeah, and if you like, share and subscribe and do all the things you know, we'd also appreciate it. Yes, comment. 

Shawn
Host
36:51
Tell us what you think in the comments good or bad? We want to hear it all. Just we can try to get a little better. 

Andy
Host
36:56
So it even just give feedback on what you think, how much, what you would bet $450,000 on, yes, what would you feel confident enough to like bet that amount of money? 

Shawn
Host
37:05
and then deposit it in my bank account. 

Andy
Host
37:07
Exactly. I will bet you that you wouldn't do it. So I hope you enjoyed the episode and I will see you again soon. Thanks, bye, everybody.