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Eagle Brewery's Banana Bread Beer and the Business of Baseball
Ready for a wild ride through the captivating world of distinctive beer and big baseball bucks? Brace yourself as we, your hosts Andy Beckstrom and Shawn Field, embark on an adventure, sampling the unique Banana Bread Beer from UK's Eagle Brewery. As we dissect its intriguing flavor profile and delve into the brewery's rich history, you'll find yourself craving a taste while simultaneously learning a little about brewing history.
Just when your taste buds are tingling, we're up at bat discussing the big league game of baseball salaries. From Shoie Ohatani's jaw-dropping $700 million contract to the Minnesota Twins' controversial decision to cut payroll, we're diving headfirst into the heated debate over player salaries and the impact on team spending. If you're not a baseball fan, bear with us, the economic intrigue and ethical considerations might just pull you in.
In the final stretch, we get real about the question, are players fairly compensated? From revenue sharing to the potential solution of streaming games, we dissect the whole financial ballgame. As we round all the bases - from the fun of brewing beer to the seriousness of baseball salaries - we promise you an informative and entertaining episode. So grab a beer, pull up a chair and join us for a fascinating journey into the world of exotic brews and major league baseball!
All right and welcome in here once again to the Two Guys and Beer podcast, andy Bextrum with Sean Field here for yet another episode of Yours and my Favorite Podcast At least that's what I've decided. Now that's going to be my holiday gift to everybody through Thanksgiving, christmas, new Year's and Martin Luther King Day is going to be deciding for you that this is your favorite podcast. That's perfect. I like the way you think. So glad you could support everything that we're doing here. Once again, my name is Andy. I joined with Sean once again, as always, and getting back into the swing of things doing another episode here on another brewery, today's brewery, eagle Brewery. Sean has some information about a brewery from across the pond.
Andy:It is the way that I'll put it.
Shawn:Eagle Brewery out of the UK. Of all places, we've got banana bread beer here. It's not a very common beer. It is not very easy to find over here on this side of the pond either. It's kind of a hard spot Hard to find it. We did find it from a listener, actually found it and gave it to me. That's how we got this episode going.
Andy:Here is those beermeister listeners that we have See and people think that we're just these fancy high-fluten people that don't listen to the people that tune in. But here we are. We're immediately immediate response, it's all about the listeners.
Shawn:Exactly Whatever they want, we provide.
Andy:So probably, before we get too deep into it, we probably should do the best part of the process Open her up. It is a bottle with the pop top, so not a can. So maybe it's a little different, but still get the same kind of effect. Still, beer Definitely get that kind of banana bread smell to it. Eagle Brewery banana bread beer.
Shawn:It does smell like bananas Kind of a different idea, different concept.
Andy:It's kind of everybody's like all right, what can we put in beer and everything else?
Shawn:Bananas. Yeah yeah, it only comes in a four-pack too, so it's hard to find over here, and it's 10.99 for a four-pack, so it's not like the cheapest beer around here. So what is your first impression?
Andy:Well, it's very light, that's for sure Definitely get the banana kind of feel it is.
Shawn:It's a malt logger, like a malt liquor, but a logger.
Andy:Yeah, and I'm getting some of that. The maltiness is kind of adding, I guess, to a certain extent that almost that bread flavor in a way. I think the name kind of helps push you that way to kind of believe it a little bit more. But I think that, yeah, it definitely kind of fits in with the description the banana bread beer.
Shawn:The aftertaste, I think, is where you taste most of the banana.
Andy:Flavored malt beverage logger blend. Huh, interesting. Yeah, this is, I don't know. It's pretty good, it's like kind of easy drinking, but definitely has that multi-banana flavoring, which is a weird mix, I guess. In my mind. For beer, yeah, to have like I don't know if it's like the sweet and sour kind of, but it's like you take two different fusion in a way, two different, vastly different tastes.
Shawn:It does have some sweet in there too. You can kind of smell the sweetness on it too. I think the aftertaste mostly is where you get the like the banana type flavor, kind of at the end. Yeah, it's not so bad Like I would drink it again. For sure I don't think I would drink a lot of them. I think these more exotic type beers if you want to call them that you can drink one or two but then you don't really want to drink anymore after that. But it's good, it's interesting.
Andy:5.2% ABV, so it's not real strong or real potent it's also 11.2 US fluid ounces, so clearly not rounding out to the 12 ounces. It's pretty sure it's probably what desolators or something Hectoleders maybe I'm not, I'm mostly making fun of Americans it will use anything other than the metrics.
Shawn:We're still stuck on standard here. Yeah so, yeah so ego brewery banana bread beer. It's a flavored malt lager, like I said, 5.2% ABV. It's amber colored ale. It does have strong banana smell. When you open it up on the nose it does smell kind of fruity and sweet. I kind of thought when I smelled it there. Interestingly enough, as I was reading about this beer quite some time ago, ale beer was actually known as liquid bread, so that kind of fit right in with banana bread beers. We got some liquid banana bread beer right here.
Andy:Right, yeah, I mean, it kind of makes sense. It's a little thicker, a little bit, a little heavier yeah.
Shawn:Yeah, in 2018, the ego brewery that's when it was officially launched in Bedford, UK, and then actually that particular brewery was owned by other companies before, but this is in 2018, when the ego brewery opened was the first time that this brewery is open to the public for a regular basis, for tours and things like that. The facility was known as the Charles Well Brewery prior to the ego brewery, when it was the Charles Wells brewery to originally opened up in 1976. So the facility has been around for a while as a brewery, but the ego brewery that makes this banana bread beer since 2018. Then it was sold to Marston's in May of 2017 for $55 million, and Marston's is the one that bought it and rebranded it to the ego brewery in 2017. That opened in 2018.
Andy:So they're a little bit more recent, but I mean, I guess you've seen that numerous times where place kind of goes by the wayside or goes under, however you want to, however you want to say it, somebody can come in and swoop it up.
Shawn:Right Along with their tours that I was talking about. For the first time, this specific property actually allowed tours at the brewery. They allowed them in the brewer house fermenting rooms and the bottling and canning lines. They also converted some existing space there to a tap room, of course, because every, every good brewery of course has a tap room for the patrons to enjoy some of this delicious liquid bread.
Andy:Trying to look a little bit on their website and there's I think you mentioned it before too but there's really no information here at all.
Shawn:No, there's not a lot to go off of. I've had to do some digging to try to learn a little bit about it. They also opened up a brewery shop and visitor center with a visitor's car park. The interesting thing I was talking about this specific property. They also call it the Bedford Brewery because it's in Bedford, uk is the city that it's in.
Shawn:This specific brewery is also home to any other of Britain's iconic ale brands, like Bommadier and Courage, and this place is also packaged some of the other world famous beers that come out of Europe, like Estella Dam, along with other, the beers that they make under the Eagle Banner, which, of course, those beers they make under the Eagle Banner were having the banana bread beer. Here. They also have a waggle dance honey beer and sticky toffee pudding beer. Of course they do. Yeah, you know why wouldn't they Sticky toffee pudding beer? It seems kind of crazy. And then they have the Eagle IPA that you were mentioning a little bit earlier. When you're kind of going through there. They also have a famous beer there called Korean Itchabon too. Oh, never heard of that one?
Andy:No, I'm not aware of that one.
Shawn:Apparently it's world famous.
Andy:Well, it quite hasn't made it to the Midwest just yet, at least not here.
Shawn:I was going to ask you your kind of thoughts on this. It's kind of come up, I don't know, maybe it's kind of a fad these last few years, these beers that they brew with these exotic ingredients, like this stuff. It's kind of like a weird fad or trend. This banana bread beer and coffee beers and peanut butter beers and stuff. It's kind of crazy. What are your thoughts on that?
Andy:I think it's okay, I think it's fun to try it. Just get it out there, see if people like it, and just try anything once. That's how you end up finding different things that end up turning out to be amazing. You just throw something together. And that's what's fun about being able to brew is you throw stuff together and you just like well, I think it's going to kind of taste like this, but I'm not really sure. And then you do it and you're like well, this is awful, I'm going to just dump this out.
Andy:But sometimes you get something. You can kind of tweak the recipe a little bit or tweak the additives To a certain extent. Sometimes I think it gets a little off the rails and a little out, a little far out there, but at the same time, like that's fun, you go ahead and do that. I just won't drink it. That's where it's kind of the fun of it be able to do all sorts of different things, like you said before, like the different type of beers, like the sticky toffee pudding seems like a very weird thing to have as far as like, like a liquid, but you know a lot of different things that you can toss in there.
Shawn:Yeah, it seems like it's kind of, like you said, gets off the rails a little bit with some of these flavors and beers. Some of it I don't quite understand. When you drink one or two, that's great, but you typically don't go back for it again. It's just one of those things like ah, I'll try it, just to see what it tastes like, and they're like no, give me a normal tasting beer of some sort.
Andy:Well, and that's something that I think I've even said about, see what one is it? The green belt, green belt blue.
Shawn:Yeah, blueberry.
Andy:It's good, it's really good, but I'm not having a second one. Like I'm going to go back. I'll drink like six IPAs, some of the lot of flavors, some like that. But when it gets too sweet, like that, like I mean, and that's fun, go ahead and make the one. But you also got to be aware you're only going to sell so much of it just because not because people don't like it, but because you just can't. If I have too many of those, I'm going to have the beatus. Right, it's going to be a problem. I already got the Wilford brimley mustache, I just don't need the beatus.
Shawn:That's what I think about angry orchard. Yeah, but you're like, you try it. It tastes like apples, but one of them is it's about all you can handle ever. It's so sugary, you're just like but I mean, it tastes good for one beer.
Andy:Yeah, I know some people that can just pound those back. They're just super sweet beers and I can only do so much of that. And then it's like, well, I'll just have a mixed drink with coconut or something, true.
Shawn:Yeah, the Eagle Brewery back in 2017, when it was acquired by Marston's. They now operated six breweries across the UK, along with a full estate they have of 1500 pubs across the country. I hope they have more than just the four beers there.
Andy:That's all that's on their website.
Shawn:They do. They do those four beers on their website. That's just under the Eagle brand.
Andy:That must be because I was looking at the shop a little bit. There was a whole bunch of other things that were listed and I'm like there's what banks and Sunbeam, sunbeam, blonde, and what else is here? Rackspear, yeah, they brew a lot of different stuff.
Shawn:Yeah, this, the Eagle brand, only has those four God sure specific beers there's a bunch of different different things, different things they have there, because it's owned by Different brewery, you kind of fun to try the hobgoblin Ruby 8 beer or the APA. I like that name. It's kind of a hobgoblin.
Andy:It's kind of a fun name and it's got a cool little picture. You know kind of little elf looking guy Looks like he's carrying an axe and he's got a quiver with arrows or something. So I don't really know what he's gonna do with that, but I don't know, maybe it's just sticks or something. I'm sure he means no harm.
Shawn:It sounds like a beer. We should try. Actually, I wonder if we can get a hold of any of that we go, we'll have to make some connection.
Andy:There's anybody from the UK that's tuned in?
Shawn:Right, if you could send them over, that would be super so that the Eagle brewery, of course, under that brand. You know they bought that place 2017, reopened in 2018 under the Eagle brand. Well, that place is pretty historic, that specific property in facility. I've never heard of Glenn Miller before, but apparently that a Glenn Miller orchestra I was gonna say the Glenn Miller band and they. They played there. He played the last concert he ever played. There was right where the tap room is. Actually, he played it for American and British troops in World War two. After the concert, he actually departed on a flight on his way to France, never to be seen from again.
Andy:Do you remember the song in the mood, I'm in the mood for melody. I'm in the mood for melody in the mood. I don't think so really good rendition that I did. Just that was. That was please. I enjoyed that, but that was one of the songs from a Glenn Miller. Do you know that song? Actually, I think that may be from somebody else's to think in. The mood might be a different.
Shawn:Because this guy died in World War two in the 40s December 15, 1944. Yeah, yeah, on a plane.
Andy:Glenn Miller orchestra.
Shawn:I wonder if the UFOs got him. It might have they dropped the alien.
Andy:IPA Bermuda triangle, that's really what happened there?
Shawn:And that brewery site, that same facility. It also housed the local football stadium at one point in time to the Bedford Eagles Football team. There we go, I'm assuming. Soccer, so American football, but so football, like football, football, football.
Andy:There we go.
Shawn:It'd be interesting to go to this place. A lot of history on this specific property. Then, unfortunately, in July of 2022, martins that did announce the sale of the Eagle brewery, so they acquired it in 2017, opened it in 2018 under the Eagle brewery brand. Well, they chose to sell it in 2022. There's some of their long-term partners SA dam, dm, m m dam, which is apparently it's a well-known Company in in Europe, all through Europe, and their best known for their popular premium beer. Estrella dam Is the name of their premium not to be confused with another popular premium beer, a premium grain belt. You make sure you don't want to get those confused. Yeah, premium green belt down that's.
Andy:That's premium. And you do a correct myself also on one of those, the song that I hum there, I'm saying definitely not by Glenn Miller, that was Robert plant.
Shawn:Well, you can sing that to you as a different song.
Andy:That was in the mood, but I feel like I recognized some of the song, but it was definitely orchestra or a big band conductor, composer, trombone player and recording artist. That's Glenn Miller, oh yeah, who just did a concert there and then disappeared, disappeared, abducted by the aliens.
Shawn:And they're right, he was gone. That would be a bummer. You're on your way, your next row, and you just disappear and nobody knows what happened.
Andy:Right, and how long do you look like well as playing was over the ocean? Okay, well, it's not there.
Shawn:Right, like why doesn't always happen to musicians? There is a lot of that. I was. I was actually just doing the music guide. Buddy Holly Mm-hmm. Where'd he crash? Was at Iowa. Was John Denver crash? Yep, yep, john, that's a plane. Were you a different plane?
Andy:Were you the one that was telling me that, john Denver, he crashed because he ran out of fuel? Somebody was telling me that recently that, like, that's why it went down, that's why, exactly, I meant to tell you that. I think that was something that came up that could be our random fact of the day.
Shawn:I'm gonna ask you another man, that half of them died in the plane crash. Oldest Reading the big bopper Multiple in different ones. Musicians should stay off of planes. Who was? That's the lesson from today.
Andy:Who was the one? Was it Aliyah, the rapper? Oh?
Shawn:plane crash in Jamaica or something.
Andy:Jet crashed into the mountain or some dumb.
Shawn:Yeah, not long before that, like a few weeks before that, she said she was gonna do music till the day she died, and she died two weeks later. I mean, I guess she did she did it out of the park right there.
Andy:Accuracy is really the key, so Travis Barker.
Shawn:He crashed on a plane and he survived.
Andy:Yeah, he made it through. Yeah, yeah, to make silly life choices, but you know when you got that much money and you know whatever, you know why not like? Would you like to be on TV and make $60,000 an episode? Oh, okay, maybe it's more than that, out of 600,000 of an episode or so, I don't even know. He makes plenty. As Common says, I pay attention less to Travis Barker's love life and financial situation than I used to. I think so what kind of action is even?
Shawn:married. You don't even know, chloe. What are they? Chloe, kim, there's like, well see, that's the thing is there's, so there's enough of them, and I never watched the show.
Andy:So I don't really know, but there was enough of them that there's like Chloe Kim, there's enough to go around for everybody, right? And?
Shawn:then there was like the younger ones or whatever that are more into like modeling.
Andy:That like was. Now I can't even remember about the top of my head, but I don't know. There they're all kind of, they're lower a lot, their whole family that's. It's a lot the Kardashian clan. How did they even get famous? I think it's mostly the dad, well, now the mom, but I think that that's mostly kind of what was involved with it. I think that's probably where it came from.
Shawn:Yeah, all I remember is Kim before anybody knew her was like hanging out with Paris Hilton and like the paparazzi was taking photos over. And then it was on TMZ or something. I think it was Bruce Jenner, because he was a Olympic athlete back in the day.
Andy:Yeah, kim Kardashian, khloe Kardashian, kourtney Kardashian, and then there's Two more daughters that have been much more in Try to find it now. It's gonna drive me nuts because I kind of look at like not that I Track much of what's going on with their family, because they just don't really know.
Shawn:I don't get what your problem is, but I guess so many problems so many problems, but there's only in my mind only like two of them that I think are like I don't know.
Andy:There's only one of them that I mean they get, I mean they're Famous models, so they're all kind of cute in their own little way, but I really think that there's only like one of them. Oh, kendall Jenner and Kylie Jenner. Those are the two. Those are the two guys thinking of Kendall's the like, the only one that I think is like. Overall attractive, but she married to a football player.
Shawn:I don't think that she's married at all. She's Well. She's missing the hope, right athletes out there. She's 28, but I think that she was. She was, I believe, dating like a basketball player at one point in time, if I remember correctly, but again I don't really.
Andy:Chris, who's he married to? Following that, let's hear Kendall was dating Blake Griffin for like a Hot minute. Let's hear, and then Simmons, and then apparently more recently a Devon Booker. So she has stayed within the basketball realm. But Kylie Jenner has gone, I think, gone a little bit more deep into some of that stuff. Why are we talking about the right? I have no idea. Let's get on to some. What has happened.
Shawn:We know what we know about, let's keep talking about definitely gone right off the rail. This is a really good question.
Andy:We definitely got right off the rail.
Shawn:This is probably the most that I've ever talked about this particular subject.
Andy:You can believe me or not, this is Definitely not not something I would agree.
Shawn:It's a good, solid, eight and a half minutes of. Kardashian, yeah, we well, thanks for tuning in to all you abuse masters out there. Let's talk about Kardashians While we're drinking a banana bread beer.
Andy:We'll have to put the disclaimer in there somewhere that, like, from this point to that point, go ahead and just skip forward. Oh my gosh, well, that was something different.
Shawn:Oh Tony, there we go.
Andy:Oh yeah, oh honey ten years, 700 million buddy.
Shawn:What do you think of that?
Andy:So and we talked a little bit about this before we started recording a couple of days ago, we started talking about this a little bit and the question that came up on the radio Like whatever, to a certain extent, like the contract and him and everything like that or whatever, like it's funny Because I have a lot less of an issue with it for him than I did back in the day when Alex Rodriguez signed his massive deal, or even when who's the third baseman for the Padres that just signed like a 500 million dollar deal? Fernando Tete's, like was not him the other one, because they sound like two guys to massive contracts. That's right, it was the other guy that I don't remember. No, they came over or whatever, but that, like some of those guys, like I was just like I can't believe your any, bryce, you know, oh, okay, okay, bryce, harper, brace Harper. I just cannot stand here, Not even a little bit.
Shawn:What's the catcher? The twins add with a Harper Ron, harper, ron, harper, yep.
Andy:Yeah, I don't think so. Maybe is, but I don't think so. Let's hear who was I thinking about here?
Shawn:Yeah, I think Major League Baseball needs a salary cap. 700 million, that's a lot of dough. Yeah, so that's a lot of dough.
Andy:So that was the question.
Andy:Oh, manny Machado, that was the guy that I was trying to think of Manny Machado and it's just, it's very hard for me to validate like is somebody worth that amount of money?
Andy:I just can't. And, honest to God, to a certain extent it's not even so much like the yearly amount or the amount, it's more the duration, like 10 years, is a long time. Trust me, as a wild fan watching the Ryan Suter and Zach Delazy crap blow up Like when you commit 10 years like all it takes is like you your netminder that was at DeLaurier, I think that was like a netminder for the New York Islanders years ago signed like a 13 year contract or something like that for some godly number and he played like the first five games this season. That was it. Yeah, he's out of the league, but they're still pan. So it's when you make that type of commitment, that's always what kind of like boggles my mind, especially now with like Otani. He like has a couple of elbow surgeries and a little bit of that going on, but at the same time he still has the ability to affect the game from the from that bat.
Andy:So even if you're not pitching but if he is pitching he's a frontline pitcher. And if you get a frontline pitcher for four or five years, maybe you pay $300 million for that. So then you're paying $400 million for one of the best hitters in baseball. So for that one it's very weird because, like I said, I usually I'm just like this is so stupid. But that one I'm like okay, it's different.
Shawn:Yeah, I'm not surprised. I mean he's. He's elite at both spots, using the elite pitcher. He's a top five pitcher in baseball and he's probably in the top 10 for hitting me. What'd? He smash 41 home runs last year.
Andy:Yeah, bat over 300.
Shawn:It's just insane, he's like the modern day Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth could do that. Yeah, who, who, who sends him? Oh, otani can pitch and hit. I can't recall anybody.
Andy:And in the age of like specialization, where everybody's got their one little niche and they have to focus on that, you almost have to be that good at it to be allowed to do it Right. And that's the. That's insane. That says a lot about like, how good he is at it, that they're like I can't tell you no, because you're a number one pitcher. Like how do you, how do you say no to something like that? You know you almost have to let him do that. On the flip side, like even batting, like okay, well, if you're like a 190 hitter with one home run over five years, you're probably not going to be doing that.
Shawn:It should be most pitchers in Major League baseball.
Andy:Yeah, you're just not going to be able to have the ability to do that, because you can't focus on this craft or that craft. You have to focus so much on one thing which again that's a whole separate thing that I just it loathes about what has happened with youth sports and even up to high school.
Shawn:But that's a separate, that's a separate episode.
Andy:Come back like share and subscribe.
Shawn:I'll come back for a future episode.
Andy:I'll go on a little rant about that, but mostly what I look at it is whether there's a, there's a salary cap or anything like that, like he's signing a $700 million contract. I'm looking at the twins who had a payroll last year of I believe it was like 160, 170 million dollars and them saying we are going to cut payroll. Yep, they're doing that. They went to the playoffs and they said we are going to cut payroll. And now I don't necessarily think that more money would have got Sunny Gray to stay here, because I think that he was kind of on his way out anyway. And Kenta Maeda, I wanted him, but it was kind of like a. I wanted him for a price and if it was above that I'm over it.
Andy:So I wasn't super upset about, like, really either one of those, but, at the same time, like they're not going to be out there throwing all of the money at some frontline pitcher that's available I don't know who's out there on Blake Snell or something like that. Like, I just don't see them. They weren't in on you, darvish, they weren't in on, like so many different guys. It's just not what the twins are ever done. And that's where, to a certain extent, you look at and this is something we talked about or whatever you know like, if it it granted, it's not going to.
Andy:There's a lot of deferred money and a lot of minutiae, if you will, within the contract. And so, if he is, essentially, if we just take the, the flat math of $70 million a year, I mean the $70 million or whatever. You just do that. Let's see here, if I look up the old MLB payroll by team, 2023, from SportTrack or SpotTrack SPOTRAC, great resource for all sorts of different things the final payroll, the $26 million payroll. Let's see here oh, total payroll, here we go. 2023, full on payroll. If he makes $70 million a year, he is making $8 million more than the entire Oakland athletics. That is crazy, because they are at $62 million.
Andy:That includes their injuries reserve and everything like that or whatever. But that's what the disparity, that's what I think drives me nuts more than anything. I mean, should there be the ability to put more money out there and go get the more money? Whatever you can make that argument, I think that for basketball it just doesn't work for football. I think football has done it beautifully because I think that it creates a lot of parity where you can succeed. Like it's hard to have sustained success in the NFL. It's very hard, it happens, but it's very rare, because you get up there and then everybody wants a contract and you can't pay them.
Shawn:They want, they want the money.
Andy:They want to go down and then you got to draft again and build it back up and it's just, it's a process and that's why they did that that way and I think that that's I think that's done brilliantly and it creates interest across the nation and that's why NFL is the biggest thing in the U? S absolutely far and away, because everybody has a chance within a couple of years, even the next year, unless you're Cleveland Right. But they're playing well this year. I was going to say either Cleveland or Detroit, but both 85,.
Shawn:I think Go Flackle, we actually have an agree here.
Andy:But from that standpoint, like everybody's playing by essentially the same rules. Nba has a version of that, where they have a salary cap but they don't have a hard gap. You can go over it, but then you just pay a luxury tax which really ear holes you. But you know, if you're billionaire, what's a couple of million dollars to be able to keep a core of guys that can win a championship? I'm going to sell more tickets. I'm going to sell more jerseys. I'm going to sell more hot dogs.
Shawn:I'm going to sell more beer, right, and if they're breaking even, they don't care Exactly. They're a billionaire, so let's break even and win some titles.
Andy:If they're not, look. I just wrote off three businesses worth of money and you can I'm pretty sure they can make the numbers of jive in a way Like people don't buy ball clubs. There was that argument a handful of years ago. I remember who was like oh yeah, we don't make money like as an NFL. I mean, well, that's weird, because if you're, if there's that many billionaires trying to become owners, you don't buy a business to fail, right, so you can say that all you want, but I don't buy that line of bullshit.
Shawn:No, I think they buy them to make money when they sell them in the future.
Andy:Yes, Like at the end of the season?
Shawn:I don't think they make much profit at the end of the season. But you wait. 10 years from now, I'm going to buy it for five billion this year. Well, 10 years from now, I'm going to sell it for 30 billion.
Andy:The amount of money that the Vikings have moved up. I think that the Dallas Cowboys from when Jerry Jones, of course Jerry Jones also bought it so long ago that, like I think, I might have enough money in my bank account to be able to buy them in 1970, right, but now they're worth like hundreds of billions of dollars, like it's just unreal.
Andy:But kind of back to baseball, like basketball has that luxury tax. Nhl has a hard cap. You just like you can't go for it. It's kind of like the NFL in a way, but baseball they have a version of it where if you get above a certain amount like it's not like these luxury tax, like bait or a basketball, where you're paying like X amount. You're paying a certain amount but you're also not. It's not as bad, but it does help the lesser teams become a little bit more tenable.
Andy:But at the same time, if you're one of the lesser teams but your payroll is still only $62 million, you're just pocketing that money. You're not making the team better or making the team more sustainable in a way. And so that's where I guess that's where I almost have more problems is like if you have that type of situation, you almost need like a maybe a salary cap or an idea of it and harsher penalties for going over. Kind of a loose salary cap like basketball to a certain extent. But you almost need like a salary floor, like let me shoot these numbers here at you Last year we already covered the Oakland athletics. They had the least amount of payroll in the MLB $62 million, which is just paltry.
Shawn:It's amazing to me, especially in 2023. Oh my God, that's so little, that's so unreal.
Andy:But there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight teams out of 30. So almost a third of the teams that are under $100 million, and if you want to just do flat 10, there are a third of the teams 10 of the teams that are under $120 million.
Shawn:Sure Well that's almost half the major. Like baseball right there.
Andy:Do you want to take a stab into the darkness? You can play at home. Play along at home if you'd like to, as well, take a stab in the dark. A what team? And because I actually forgot it was this team. I thought it was a different team, but what team had the top payroll and, roughly speaking, I'll give you a $5 million leeway, plus or minus. That'll give you a $10 million leeway, plus or minus. What team was the number one and what was their 2023 payroll? Do I get two guesses? You get two guesses.
Shawn:I would say the Yankees or the Texas Rangers.
Andy:The Yankees were number two and the Texas Rangers were number four. The Texas Rangers at number four I'll even give you a little bit of a hint the Texas Rangers at number four were $251 million. Now again, let's recap A third of the teams are less than $120 million For those playing at home. Eight of them are under $100 million, but the Texas Rangers at four, 251. So there are three teams ahead of them, one of them being the Yankees.
Shawn:When you said they're number two, was it the Astros? Nope, the.
Andy:Astros are seventh. Okay, the Mets. Mets are number one.
Shawn:I was going to say I have some. The Mets are the New York At what?
Andy:650 million, $343 million. So at $343 million they are some $280 million above the Oakland Athletics.
Shawn:That's so terrible. Is there revenue sharing in Major League Baseball. So let's, let's. What about TV deals? And divide that money between the teams?
Andy:So let's like I just had some math that popped into my head because numbers are fun. I had mentioned $280 million more than the Oakland A's. The Yankees number two had a $278 million payroll, so basically they were the entire New York Yankees ball club above Oakland.
Andy:That's so crazy so again, neither do you know. There you can make the argument for whatever. Like their 26 man payroll was $104 million. So they ended up with what did they have $160 million retained. They had $80 million uninjured reserve, like it had a lot going on with their, their squad. Last year the Phillies had a $218 million on their active 26 man payroll, $245 for a total. That was the highest for like the 26 man total, like the active roster.
Andy:Oh no, I take it back. I was way off. Oh no, yeah, I'm sorry I looked at the wrong thing. I didn't make it to the finals but it was different. So, yeah, the Phillies had the, the largest, they had the fifth overall, but they had the largest 26 man payroll. But that's still that. That's where it's like, like, okay, I don't necessarily think that. $343 million for a team that doesn't make the playoffs. That's one of the things that I do like about baseball is that like, go ahead, throw all your money at it and get knocked out in the first round if you make it there, because you look at the teams that are on the list, one through five, mets didn't make the playoffs, didn't make the playoffs. Padres didn't make the playoffs. Rangers I suppose they did make the playoffs. The Phillies did make the playoffs. The Dodgers were in the number one team, but they lost right away. The Astros were in the playoffs. The Angels missed the playoffs. Blue Jays, were they in the playoffs? Yeah, they were in the playoffs.
Andy:The Twins took them out and then the Braves were number 10. So, like a third of the top 10 made the playoffs, so almost two thirds of the top 10 didn't make the playoffs as far as top. So that's to a certain extent, and that's why it's mind boggling to me that there's still teams that are like I can buy my way in Texas, rangers obviously notwithstanding, but that's one of the other things that like from that and I was going to do a little bit more research on this because I knew we were going to talk about this that the argument is always the top payroll doesn't guarantee you a World Series. And you look back and blah, blah, blah and everybody's like, well, yeah, the team that won the World Series was fourth in payroll or 12th in payroll, and what the Royals wanted, they were like bottom in payroll or whatever. But if you look at, like all of the teams that make the playoffs, all you, that's really isn't that what everybody always says. You just want a chance at the dance, just get in there, just get there, and then who knows what's going to happen.
Andy:Maybe, like you look at the Dodgers won a million games throughout the regular season but then got swept out of the playoffs. They didn't have pitching but they had one of the top payrolls. But that's one of the things that, like it doesn't necessarily like guarantee success. But if you look at the bottom teams, that doesn't necessarily mean, conversely, that just because you have a low payroll that you're going to get to the playoffs or have a chance. You look at the bottom teams A's didn't make the playoffs, orioles they made the playoffs, didn't they, I don't remember.
Shawn:I thought they were pretty good, though for a minute I thought that they did so didn't they win the East?
Andy:No, they were close. They were right there, I think that they made the playoffs. Yeah, they were right up there. Yeah, pirates did not Tampa Bay. They're kind of an outlier into a certain extent. But like the Guardians did not make the playoffs, the Nationals did not make the playoffs, the Royals did not, the Reds did not, the Marlins did. But to a certain extent, I guess now I prove myself wrong here now, because a third of the bottom 10 teams did make the playoffs. So am I arguing against myself here?
Shawn:I think you are. I think you're just trying to say that like.
Andy:I feel like it should be a little bit more balanced and really like I think there should just be a floor. You know what I mean $125 million or whatever. You want to set it at $100 million or whatever, because I mean, yes, that does affect eight teams, but at the same time, like it's got to make it more competitive, somehow let's push it up there just a little bit.
Andy:Do we need to have more massive contracts? Not necessarily, but like you see teams that are playing the games, like like the twins used to. I don't know that they're still doing it, but I know that a couple of years ago that they had a player that was kind of on that cusp of coming up but they're like no, no, no, he's not ready. He's not ready yet. We're going to put him to AAA magically after about 12 games, though then they could call him up because that pushed back another year of service time and arbitration eligibility.
Andy:Okay, you play the game and you do that or whatever, but then you end up with the 16th largest payroll $156 million. What the twins had, it just paid the man, it, just it. Just. That's the stuff that drives me nuts or whatever that like if you're playing like A ball and I remember reading a book forever ago this is Kirby Puckett, and so this was the 80s, so obviously it had much different era than it is now but at the same time, like there's still people I think probably do some of that stuff. He would sneak into laundromats and wait for people to like put their stuff into the washer.
Andy:Wait a little bit wait for them to leave quick throws jerseys and stuff in there because they didn't have that for the team right To do your own and he didn't have the money to pay for a load of laundry. So we just sneak it in there and then quick try to get in there before it was done to take it out. Wait a little while. Read a magazine Like I'll play P Knuckle. Was your kid local kid or something?
Shawn:I don't know what you were doing in 1986.
Andy:But and then go back in there and then toss it into the dryer with somebody else. That I just, I just don't think, do I think that they should be making millions and millions of dollars. No, but like, let's make this a Tendable wage me. Even if you're playing a ball and you're on your way up or something like that, let's make it you can actually survive if you're, let's say, you're, part of the San Francisco Giants Organization and your team is in San Francisco. San Francisco is not a cheap city to live in, right? So either you're Commuting and driving an hour in to play baseball. Well, where?
Shawn:does the money come from, though? I don't know. That's yeah and that's right. Oh, no, I think they do. Revenue sharing it's gotta be.
Andy:There is a certain amount of, yeah, there's a certain amount of revenue shaming, because that's where, like the, the luxury tax, or do the Oakland a's get the money to increase their payroll right, Just not have it.
Shawn:The stands are pretty empty. This last year there was what the average 5,000 6,000 that was like that's pretty rough. It was really brutal. Do you think it's gonna help them moving to Las Vegas increase their revenue?
Andy:I do so to a certain extent I it may. Oh, the, the, the Coliseum. The stadium that they were playing in was pretty awful and I hate to say like the stadium is a thing, but at the same time I seen what happens when the metrodome went to put and they built two new stadiums and now pack everything. Even if they had a sub part twins team they'd still be able to get 20,000, 25,000 in there, but it still is like the attendance is a certain amount of Look as you get all the income from the hot dogs and the Jersey sales and ice cream buckets and beer and exactly.
Andy:And then of course, like you mentioned, the TV dollars, and that's where it really drives me nuts, like the stuff that's going on with what?
Andy:is it diamond sports or ballet sports, or regional stuff, or whatever it like, not only that, like they're not paying, but that they have the money to pay, but they're going through the bankruptcy Proceedings since they're just not paying. So now these teams are just screwed right out of the money. But then also like, okay, well, didn't let me have a contract and let me go figure something out. No, no, no, we own the rights. No, you don't, you default it on a payment.
Shawn:You don't do that anymore and who even watches it like our local area? Ballet sports is all that we can get the local teams on Mm-hmm other than football, because they're on national TV. Nobody has ballet sports north exactly even get that.
Andy:Yeah, that's not something it's. Yeah, it's not on any platform.
Shawn:I downloaded the app on system monkey with it and that sucks.
Andy:So yeah, right quick and that's where I don't know what the answer to be able to get Streaming is more of the answer if they just fold it all within MLB comm and they just get a whole different wing of broadcasting and do it through there. Like obviously there's no way it's gonna be the same as, like the NFL. The NFL has 16 games or 12 games during bi weeks Right, so they don't have. And then they put one on Monday and then one on Thursday and one on Sunday night, so you're already down to like two sections of the afternoon. We only got like four games, yeah, so it's easier to be able to kind of regionalize, but also like we just need one network and it's a massive hit. There's no way over 162 games for 30 teams You're gonna be able to put all that on national TV. It's just not gonna happen, although I did like it when I was on like channel 29 or channel 45 back in the day that was, that was fantastic.
Andy:So I don't know if streaming is the answer for that and you just pay, like because I've looked at like some of the MLB comm, like Streaming costs and stuff like that, and I'm like, oh my god, that's a little bit unreal for what? Like I'm gonna watch two games Maybe a week through there, if you're lucky exactly. But do it to mention like, get back a little bit to the amount of money again Through TV contracts. You never really know. But that's where, like the yes network is basically like the Yankees entertainment Network, they get basically all of that money, right, not a ton of different teams that have that, but that's where they get like a ton of their money to be able to do that. Like twins in other smaller areas, like they have to rely on regional sports networks and things like that to be able to do that. But this here from a statistic, a website total revenue of major league baseball. In 2022, the MLB had a overall revenue of 10.32 billion, corresponding to an average revenue per team of 344 million dollars.
Shawn:So Spending 67 million, like they don't get any of that TV revenue Should get a percentage and that's where, like I don't know what that out evenly across every team in baseball, just to help them feel better teams, or upgrade stadiums or whatever it is they need to do yeah, and that's where I Feel like it needs to be a lot more balanced than what it is.
Andy:I mean, obviously they've been able to. I just made my own, or defunct my own point, you know, as far as payroll, making the playoffs or not making the playoffs. But it does need to be a lot more balanced. It needs to be. Something needs to be kind of sorted out with that and whether you raise the floor or whatever. But again, that's the argument is where does that money come from? Clearly there's money out there because you don't get.
Andy:What are you doing if you have 344 million dollars in coming? Yes, you have expenses, I totally get. You have expenses. But you could build a new stadium and put a 10-year lease on it or 30 year lease, because that's generally what it is For a stadium, or something like that. So if you break down a 300 million dollar Open-air stadium, granted there closer to a billion dollars now, or 500 million are insane, but at the same time, like that's still like we'll say, a hundred million dollars a year for ten years, that's a billion dollars right there. So a hundred million dollars if you have 344 million dollars, okay. So now you don't do 244 because you got to make your your payments to the, the construction company. So now you have 244 million dollars. So what happens to the rest?
Shawn:What's going on? What is?
Andy:happening here and so that's, I don't know again, that's through MLB and that's a whole different thing, you know, however you want to look at that, but it's, I know, it's just it's mind-boggling to me that there isn't better revenue sharing With that. That. It does seem like it is the have's and have nots. I mean, if you just look straight at the top teams New York, new York, san Diego, texas is kind of a metropolitan area still like it's a big right. You're looking basically at the media hubs Philadelphia, los Angeles, houston, los Angeles, toronto, atlanta, chicago you know, like Obviously, when you start getting more middle of the road, minnesota, st Louis, is not quite a huge media area. Detroit used to be, but it's definitely kind of course, detroit itself is falling apart on the other direction.
Andy:But you look at, like Oakland isn't a huge media area, like that's the lowest one. I think there's a lot more. I feel like I want to have that not even part of the discussion.
Shawn:It's a whole different thing.
Andy:But yeah, you can overlay, like media markets over the top of this and you'd see a pretty direct correlation, right. And that's where I don't really like that at all, because in my mind it goes back to the argument years ago that I used to watch a program called part of the interruption, if you were a fan of PTI.
Shawn:I watched it for a long time.
Andy:But then I just could not stand it, because mostly Michael Wilbon would just go off about, like the question would be is it good for the NBA to have other teams be good other than Boston and LA? Right, and they're like nope, those two teams have to be good other and like what are we even doing here? What is the point? What's the point? Are your numbers gonna be less? Yes, because there's less people there. But do you want to have a league that's all the way across the country, or do you want to just have it in the 10 biggest?
Andy:means ghost and West Coast basically don't have a 32 team league, just have a 10 team league and you can go play with yourself. Careful, don't get you with that. But you know, I'm saying like let's not worry about, like the Timberlays flyover country. Nobody's coming here as a free agent anyway. But like that's one of the things that like drives me nuts about stuff. Like that is when yes, I understand your media, I don't know what you want to call it.
Andy:If you want to look at is like the giant malls. You know what I mean. You had seers and your anchors like the mall of America, the four corner anchors, stores, the big stores. That's really what makes the whole thing go. Boston, la, new York, yes, you want to have them be kind of in the mix. You obviously have to have teams there, but at the same time, if you want a 30 team league, you have to have other teams and Everybody needs to play nice in the sandbox. It can't be those good every single year, otherwise the teams in the middle and the teams at the bottom just don't care and they're not.
Shawn:It's not gonna work for fans either. There has to be some kind of competitiveness somewhere else other than four or five spots.
Andy:And that's what drives me nuts about the twins like they had a hundred and fifty six million dollar payroll. They were sixteenth in the league and payroll they still went to the playoffs. I was so pretty happy about that.
Andy:But when they come out and they're like that was too much we need to steal it back a little bit, but then I look at three hundred and forty four million dollars coming in and, granted, they kind of got screwed on some of the regional contracts. But at the same time it's like, okay, if you make a million dollars, that's fine, you're an owner, you have holdings all over the place, being an MLB owners not your only job, right? So don't come and talk to me about, oh, we got a scale it back, like I'm not saying you have to spend three hundred million dollars. I totally get that you don't have to do that.
Andy:But there needs to be some sort of like middle ground. I mean really that middle from, like I was saying, like the top ten if you get to 125 125 to 200 is the other ten teams is a very narrow, but then it obviously skyrockets. Like 125 to 250 gets you to number four, sure, so that's where, like the bulk of the teams, then you get. You know obviously the outliers, you know Yankees, mets, padres, things like that or whatever. But I don't know, that's kind of my take and I know that's less about Otani, but you're just more of a general. But if anybody has any feedback or their take on it, definitely put it in the in the old comments on the social media, you know Facebook, twitter, x, whatever it is.
Shawn:Yeah, it's frustrating, like how they do that though, such the disparity and payroll for one team, the worst team, the lowest team to the highest team, and that's that's pretty significant disparity between the athletics and the Mets. Like how do the athletics or the athletic fans even expect them to compete at all?
Andy:Yeah.
Shawn:Basically, if you aren't going to compete, it's rookies and people you're calling up that somehow magically perform above average, and then they don't stick around because the days won't pay. So the next thing you know they're in New York playing for the Yankees and the Mets and Texas Rangers.
Andy:And that's what always drives me nuts is like if you got somebody, okay, we got a top frontline prospect, they're going to be just tremendous and we need pitching. Even Jose Barrios, case in point, a couple of years ago, what did we need pitching? We got a frontline prospect. No, we're going to trade him, we're going to try to sign some frontline prospect and that did not go over well at all, but we had them.
Andy:We had them and I'm not saying that he was the answer necessarily, because I don't know that he's necessarily been on a side young claim necessarily. But at the same time, like, when do you make that decision to actually pay them? So this was an interesting argument that I heard on the radio last year when the Carlos Correa stuff was going down. Oh, I'm sure, yeah, so do you pay a pitcher or do you pay a hitter? Granted, a hitter is going to be in the field, they're going to be part of the thing and they have a chance to hit the ball. They have a chance to have the ball hit to them at every single play. But if you reach that level, most of it is pretty competent with a glove, but essentially you can't take over the game as a hitter. You just can't.
Shawn:No, you cannot, You'll get four at bats. On a good day. If you're not On a good day, you'll get four at bats, exactly.
Andy:If it's a nothing, nothing game.
Andy:Two to three, you probably average and you just got out in the previous inning. You don't get to just go up there and be like I'm taking over the game. It's not like basketball or football where you can like all right, we're going to feed the beast and like really affect things, or whatever. A pitcher granted it's every like fifth day and a little bit different, or whatever, but even from a closer standpoint you can affect the game in a meaningful way for a duration. So really pitching is in my mind pitching is key.
Shawn:Yeah, for sure.
Andy:It's amazing to me that there's not more money for that. But that's kind of the interesting part of baseball is it's so small the sample size of what you can really affect. Like I said, you can. If you're a pitcher you're a jester and verlander you're a stopper, that's what they call it. Like we got the bleeding going on or giving up runs left and right. All right, well, I'm going to go out there, I'm going to pitch nine innings, I'm going to use what 87 pitches, I'm going to have 37 strikeouts. None of that math adds up. But that's the point. You can really affect it. You can take over that game. If you're a guy like Carlos Correa or like even a Sammy Sosa back in the day at your at bat, you can affect the game. But if you had like a Barry Bond situation, you just send them to first, you have neutralized the biggest threat in that lineup. Now they still obviously won a lot of games in one's World Series.
Andy:They did Made it work because you got to build the entire team.
Shawn:They had more pieces around it.
Andy:You can't just have one but at the same time, like, you can't. I mean, you can dominate your at bat when you have that opportunity, but you can also just like, nope, you're going to first, and now you have taken that out of play Pretty much, and so that's, I don't know. That's where it's kind of funny that there's so much money that's spent on position players, but that and that's where it's all the money for Otani, because you can do all that. You can affect it on a daily basis. But yeah, I think we've toodled off it. Do ever. At least we're not talking about the Kardashians anymore, right?
Shawn:So if you're the owner, are you spending 700 million on all Otani?
Andy:If I am the owner of like the Dodgers or something, you're the owner of the Dodgers, likely I am, would you?
Shawn:spend 700 million for Otani. Likely I am.
Andy:And I made this argument at one point in time. I had a conversation this was forever ago when Joe Maurer was going through his contract stuff and in the other hours, like oh my God, it's way too much money. He's never going to like make that money up. And I'm like it's not about that, you're never going to break even on that and maybe for a couple of years or whatever. But you're going to sell so many more jerseys, you're going to get more people in the stands, you're going to get so many more things with that Plus for a guy like Joe Maurer, he was a local guy and so you kind of had to pay a little premium to kind of keep him not necessarily to keep him, because I think he would have stayed anyway, but you almost have to pay.
Andy:You can pay a little bit more because he is the local guy. You know what I mean. If he's coming in from outside, especially in Minnesota, like the one of us factor like you're going to make more money just from that. But yeah, it's. I don't know. I, like you, know he's a generational type of talent If you can stay, even if he doesn't stay healthy. How many times has he been on the injured list where he's missed time, like he had elbow surgery and he's still hit like 40 over on. So that's where I'm like a guy like that. Yes, I'm paying him that much.
Shawn:I don't think I could do it.
Andy:Like the Machado and the other ones or whatever. I don't think that I'd be able to do that, but it sounds like and I haven't looked at the actual structure, but it sounds like there's a lot of like deferred money. That's in with that, which gets into a very interesting Bobby Bonilla style.
Shawn:Yeah, paying for 30 years.
Andy:Exactly. So that's where, in theory, you start to circumvent the proverbial luxury tax or salary cap not that there is one, but that type of thing, right, so you start to be able to move the money around a little bit more. So that's, I don't know, I think I probably would. That's what I'm saying. Like I wasn't upset about it, I was like, wow, okay.
Shawn:You know, I wasn't.
Andy:I wasn't blown away at all but as I was like a man named Machado or somebody like that, like I do think it's an insane amount of money, and I thought it was insane when Alex Rodriguez signed his 10 year $250 million contract, but I don't know.
Andy:It's just, he's one of those guys that, like, he just sets the mark. Whatever the mark is, he's going to set that mark, and how do you? The thing about that, though and this again, this is another argument that I like had with somebody else about something is you look at a guy like Patrick Mahomes. At the time he signed a 10 year contract or a 13 year, whatever it was I don't remember what the duration was or whatever and that day when he signed it was the top paid quarterback in the NFL, obviously best quarterback in the NFL, making all the things happen, winning Super Bowls, doing all the stuff. Two years from then, he was not. He is not the best quarterback in the NFL currently, and if you sign a 10 year contract, by the end of the 10 year contract you're going to be like one of the lower paid quarterbacks in the NFL, whether he's still actually quarterbacking or doing it at a high level, who knows. But at the same time, like that's what mind boggles me in a way the long duration of the contracts, not only the injury factor, but also from the player. Like you're clearly not really betting. I mean, you're getting that security. I get it from a player standpoint. You're getting the security.
Andy:I have 10 years of contract money. I have all this money guaranteed. I know I'm making $700 million. That's fantastic news, but at the same time, like if you thought maybe you'd stay healthy I'm going to do like a four year contract and make $80 million a year and then I'm going to do another contract and do a four year contract and make $120 million a year, because everything it's the nature of the business. Obviously, like I said, that $250 million contract was insane for Rodriguez. We're up to $700 million now for the same duration. So it's over time, like it's going to go up. And so how do you build that in? And maybe that's what they do. Maybe instead of 70 million, maybe he's only going to make 30 million this year and then next year $40 million and then by the end of the contract he's making $200 million a year or something. Like I said, I don't know how the structure was set up, but I don't know A lot of angles, a lot of interesting stuff with that.
Shawn:Yeah, I couldn't pay it. I think it's too much. What if he gets hurt? What if he blows out his arm this year? And that's it? Now you're on the hook for $700 million for a person you can't even use. That's kind of ridiculous. I think these guaranteed contracts and pro sports need to go away. I think they should be performance based and not 10 years, 15 years, 12 years. I think that's how it should be, year by year and performance based. That's how you should get paid. Like, I couldn't pony up 700 million for an unknown right, no way.
Andy:And that's the other, that's the other.
Shawn:Is he still going to be able to pitch as good as he is and hit as he could at five years from now? Probably not. I mean, that's insane what he can do he is a generational talent, like you said, but are you really going to do that five years from now?
Andy:Yes. I mean, I was in the era of two, seven years from now. He's going to be a soul. So, guy right it's crazy.
Shawn:Yeah, I just couldn't do it. I like watching them. I think it's great watching the stats and seeing his highlights. But 700 million for 10 years guaranteed? I don't think so, Scooter.
Andy:That's the worst part about the entire thing is you say no, I say yes, somebody's going to pay it, Right, and that's where it's. That's where the money keeps going up. It's like what's enough for you? Or to get the angels? Well, exactly no, that's absolutely there. It's just insane to me that they've had those two guys and that's again that gets back to you get Mike trout and joy a tonny on the same team and you can't make the playoffs. Is that a managerial thing? You could get into that argument or whatever, but that potent of a lineup, clearly you can't affect it from that standpoint. You can obviously affect the game, but you can't take over a game. From that standpoint, you can't do those things. So I don't know. Yeah, it's pretty crazy, that's for sure. It's definitely a larger conversation than I'm going to need.
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Shawn:Yeah, it's definitely pretty crazy, man. I don't know. Sports have gotten kind of crazy with their contracts and the amount of money that's for sure all across the board. You know all major sports. It's like really Well, that's on the flip side. We're the idiots that watch the TV and buy the jerseys and go to the games and spend $25 for a can of beer and $12 for a hot dog with no mustard and ketchup. You know you got to spend an extra $3 to get some mustard and ketchup on it. You know we're the ones that pay for all that stuff.
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Andy:In my hair. I use them while I'm drinking beer for the podcast. You know like we'll get your information out there. We'll do our best. Now reach out to us on social media.
Shawn:Yeah, put a hashtag, two guys and beer at the backslash of widgetscom, you know, save yourself 10%.
Andy:Mm-hmm, there you go. Yeah, it's all available. All available, just to hit us up on the social media, absolutely, yeah. Yeah, that's our episode, unless you've got anything additional. I think that that kind of covers the gamut of the Eagle Brewery and the banana bread, beer and a multitude of other topics, including major people.
Shawn:They are all in the Kardashians. I don't have anything else of knowledge today. No, I'm just the Eagle. Banana bread beer Tastes like banana bread in the aftertaste. If you can find it, try it. Let us know what you think of it.
Andy:Yeah, Definitely an interesting one and worth giving a shot. It's out of the UK so it's a little tricky to find, but you know you got it from a listener, but I think you said it was somewhere in like Roseville or something.
Shawn:Roseville wine store. There they have it there. It's a beer and wine, or wine and spirits or I don't know something goofy like that.
Andy:And then we did have the kind of semi random fact earlier with the John Denver playing that ran out of gas. It wasn't mechanical failure, just ran out of gas. But what animal has the most dense fur? Sea otter, oh wow, perfect. They have 150,000 strands of hair per square centimeter.
Shawn:Yeah, good deal, wow, sea otter, or keep some more, I suppose, in the sea in the cold.
Andy:That's your random fact of the day, so I hope you enjoyed that.
Shawn:I'll take one more drink to that to finish the show.
Andy:We hope you enjoyed In Judoid, I think, is what I said there. Hope you enjoyed today's podcast and again, hit us up on the social media Facebook, twitter, x, whatever you want to call it Instagram, youtube, rumble. We're on all the major platforms iHeart, spotify. We're also on Pandora We've added that to our selection of things and many, many others. I have them out there. Itunes, like anything that you can be able to find it, so like share and subscribe, tell your friends, tell your neighbors, tell your enemies. Just get them to listen for 10 seconds, maybe 30. Whole episode would be great, but just a little bit Trying to get the info out there. So, yeah, hope you enjoyed today's broadcast. Go find yourself some Eagle Brewery. And now that's it for me, sean. Anything from you.
Shawn:No, thanks a lot everybody. I appreciate it. See you all later.
