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Ever find yourself at the crossroads of curiosity and thirst, yearning for a path sprinkled with laughter and deep dives into the craft beer world? Our latest episode is a frothy mix of both, as we share tales from Two Roads Brewing in Stratford, Connecticut, and dissect their Lil' Heaven Crushable IPA and the casino-collab Jackpot Juice Hazy IPA. We're not just about the suds, though; join us for a round-table discussion that hops from the comedic genius of Conan O'Brien to the camaraderie and competition brewed by beer passports and trivia nights.
But it's not all hops and giggles. As, we explore the serious side of brewing, discussing how Two Roads not only crafts a mean beer but also leads the way in contract brewing opportunities. We then take a sobering turn to reflect on the sustainability initiatives of this century-old factory turned brewery, sharing how they're pioneering in green practices from solar fields to water conservation. It's a conversation that pours out insights on resource conservation, all while still maintaining the flavor of our favorite brews.
We then navigate through the more intricate landscapes of border security, immigration reform, and the daunting reality of child trafficking. This episode isn't afraid to address the bitter notes of today's pressing social issues, balancing the heaviness with a lighter froth of human versus grasshopper leaps and the intoxicating fact about global inebriation levels. So grab your favorite pint, and let's toast to an episode that's equal parts enlightening and entertaining.
And welcome in everybody once again here in the two guys and beer podcast studio, the palatial estates, the studios of two guys and beer podcast, andy Beckstrom with Sean Field here for another episode, as we get into the teens, for episodes here. Today we're going to be talking about two roads brewery out of Connecticut. They're out of Stratford, connecticut, so that should be a good time to come along with us on that one. But Sean, back at it.
Speaker 2We are back at it More beers, more beers. It's been a few weeks. We took a few week break. Now we're back at it here. We spent some time putting the studio together a little bit more so we can get ready to do a video podcast so all you lovely beer masters out there can look at our ugly mugs on the face there on the YouTube. And it's been a good few weeks to take a break and kind of catch up and reset and get some things put together to keep on rolling.
Speaker 1Two roads brewing is what we're going to be talking about today. They have the two roads brewery in Stratford, Connecticut. They also do Flavortown spiked, which I believe is mostly just like ready to drink mixed cocktails as what it appears to be. But that one's a connection with Guy Fieri in that one, which, by the way, I've kind of realized that our podcast is almost kind of like Diners Drivers Dives, where we try some of their food, but we're really talking about the business more than anything Pretty much.
Speaker 1We're kind of like that a little bit. If you ever get a chance to. There's a comedian that did a thing years ago that I thought was just absolutely hilarious. Sean Torres was on Conan is the name of the guy Absolutely hilarious. But he kind of goes off like his whole bid on. That. One is like and why do people hate Guy Fieri in the first place? He is a national platform to give people free business and doesn't get anything for it, but you don't like him because he looks like he drinks Mountain Dew and stuck his finger in a socket.
Speaker 2I think it's that bleach, blonde dyed spiky hair. I think that's what did it Right. That kind of gives you the bad vibes. That was from the early 2000s, late 90s, I think that's kind of. It's kind of like Nickelback for some reason Nobody likes Nickelback but they put out bangers left and right and left and right, but nobody likes them. I think it's the same thing with Guy Fieri. It's got to be that spiky beach bond. It must be.
Speaker 1Yeah, it must be what it is. But yeah, if you ever get a chance to listen, to look at that clip of Shane Torres on Conan kind of goes off about Guy Fieri, that's it's absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 2I kind of miss Conan. I like that show Conan. Yeah, he was pretty good.
Speaker 1I liked it, especially like when he went to was it TBS or whatever he went to, Because it felt like when he was on NBC as the late night, late show, when he was late, late then it was hilarious, then it was good. When it was the night show, it became nope, you have to fit within this tight little package, and it became almost awkward in a way Almost the audience was different to the 10 o'clock or 10, 30 or whenever it came on.
Speaker 2I think that kind of maybe had a problem with how he delivered his stuff Right.
Speaker 1And then when he went to cable it was kind of like, well, I can just be me, I can just be who I am, and I think that, just I think it changed night and day.
Speaker 2No restrictions and stuff. Exactly so I think that was fantastic. I wonder if he has a podcast now, does he probably does? He probably does. I feel like he does.
Speaker 1He's got something going. I'm sure he's got all sorts of stuff going on. So let's see here what do we got here? Take the road less traveled. That's the kind of the theme or the logo, not logo. What is it? The jingle, the tagline for two roads brewing. That's kind of what they have as far as their deal. Taking the road less traveled, the one that I have is going to be the Lil' Heaven Crushable IPA, 4.8 by volume. I don't see any other information here on the can, but yeah, lil' Heaven Crushable IPA is what I got today.
Speaker 2Perfect and I pulled out out of the two roads back here. It's called Jackpot Juice Hazy IPA, so you hit the jackpot with this one. Hopefully it's actually in collaboration with Mohegan Son, which we kind of chatted about a little bit as an Indian tribe out there that owns the casino and it says on here everyone's a winner with this Hazy Juicy IPA Brewed in collaboration with our friends that Mohegan Son.
Speaker 1Mine doesn't have any explanation, so yours is more fun.
Speaker 2It is fun. Let's see if it hits the jackpot here when we try it.
Speaker 1Although I'd be willing to bet, though, on their website they probably got some information on Lil' Heaven. Let's hear it. Yeah, here we go. Named after a hidden room in our century old brewery building where factory workers used to go and take their break stirring shifts. Lil' Heaven Crushable IPA contains tropical fruit notes balanced with just enough malt character to make this one Halava heavenly brew.
Speaker 2Perfect.
Speaker 1So yeah, I guess it's got some information there.
Speaker 2Secret room. They were taking their breaks.
Speaker 1Seems weird to me. No, this is your break room. Is it like that movie? Was it Employee the Month with Dean Cook, you know? Or they're like kind of. I always wanted to do that years, 100 years ago, you know. We all worked at Walmart together and we had a lot of backroom area to be able to work with. I always wanted to do that like kind of rearrange where some of the stuff was done On the top steel up there Could have absolutely done that. Go up there, yeah, 100%, yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, that was a pretty funny movie with Dean Cook.
Speaker 1On the website. It's just exactly what you said on the back of yours for the jackpot.
Speaker 2Just a jackpot. Hit the jackpot. I like casinos. They're fun, absolutely.
Speaker 1I don't usually gamble, though, so I'm not much of a I'll go. I'm absolutely. They're fun to be around.
Speaker 2I like being there, it's the atmosphere, the sights, the sounds, the lights. You know people going crazy when they win.
Speaker 1Absolutely.
Speaker 2I think people go crazy when they lose everything they have.
Speaker 1Sometimes that's almost more fun. The people watching is just absolutely fantastic when you get there. So let's see here.
Speaker 2Well, I suppose we're going to get the first track. Track it open. I'm getting some cotton mouth here. Here we go, hit the jackpot. Jackpot.
Speaker 1Juice, hazy, ipa, I think you got some whoa kind of overflowing a little bit here. I got a little bit on our screens over here. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2First couple of sips I do like it in the first couple of sips Jackpot juice, hazy IPA Of course. Like I said earlier, it says hit the jackpot on the can. I think for a Hazy IPA it hits the jackpot.
Speaker 1Nailed it.
Speaker 2It kind of tastes a little juicy, almost kind of you know a little bit of grape type juice flavor in it. There is definitely a juice something in there, on the palate for sure when you drink this.
Speaker 1Yeah, this one. It's got some tropical feel to it, but I can't put my nose on exactly what it is, but it's very, very smooth.
Speaker 2Yeah, this is pretty smooth too. When you smell it, you can definitely smell some sort of juice in it. Like to me, it smells like there's a little bit of grape juice in here, or grape or something. Maybe there isn't, that's just what the what the scent is. I'm getting in the aftertaste that I'm getting my crushable IPA.
Speaker 1It's it's an IPA in name but I don't really get a lot of hops out of it. It's kind of light down those. So it's, if you like something with some flavor and some feel to it, but not a lot of hops, not real hoppy, this might be a good one.
Speaker 2It is Same thing with this one. I agree with you there. It is not hoppy at all for an IPA.
Speaker 1A little bit of malt. It does the description with some malt character definitely get a little bit out of that. So it's good stuff. So let's see here, stratford, connecticut, that's, that's where we're going All the rich people yeah, Connecticut.
Speaker 1Yeah, well, that's where the net the Stratford wives never seen that movie. Let's see here. Two roads isn't just the logo in our building, it's our philosophy. Life seems offer up two ways to go and just so happens we prefer the one less traveled, and having some fun along the way in our lives or careers, and especially our beers. Now for the road less traveled philosophy being brought to life in beers that we create and how we create him. That's what they say on their website, so that's kind of what their thought is. That's when you know kind of where you're going from Two roads, in kind of an old Former factory that's there for friends that dreamed of starting it up in 2012. I foster the philosophy in the beers in that spirit. Phil Markowski, a award-winning brewmaster and 27 year craft beer veteran.
Speaker 2I don't know who you're talking about, but that name, that last name, what's that last name? Phil Markowski, what's that? Monsters ink movie, oh Mike was out. That's the first thing I thought, and I thought of the old lady with the glasses saying whatever.
Speaker 1I. That's the first thing I thought of when you said so. Macaus gave you brew your beer.
Speaker 2So you know you're thinking of it too there we go.
Breweries, Beer Passports, and Competitions
Speaker 1That's I can see, you know, like I can see her just right at the end there. I don't remember what her name was, but that's. That was great. So, phil, he was a brewmaster, 27 year craft beer veteran and created an extensive lineup that creates Unique twist on classic beer styles, named one of the 10 best breweries in America by paste magazine.
Speaker 2Sound like a magazine that would be a paste beer, but no, I've never heard of any paste making of any kind of years I remember the paste I ate in grade school, out of the can, it's true. It's probably made out of horses.
Speaker 1Elmer's base exactly. Let's hear one many awards, including gold for the Belgian lambic style In Ales in 2016 at the Great American beer festival. That's nice. How was a? So I went to trivia just the other day to a brewery here kind of up the road, and they were giving away different prizes throughout the course of the thing or whatever, and my niece actually want a Hot passport from them that they had nice and it's it's buy one, get ones, and it's something like 130 breweries or something like that, something crazy. But if you're the first one to complete all of them and turn it in, you win like $1,500 and an entry to the Great American beer festival, which is, I believe, in Denver. If I remember correctly, it's in Colorado. I know that much. I think we've talked about a little bit before on some of our other Episodes, but great American beer festival, nice, big competition and I'm guessing there's a little bit of beer to be able to drink so little yeah, yeah, so that's kind of something kind of fun.
Speaker 2But why aren't we buying these passports and winning first place? Well, yeah, no, no, no well see?
Speaker 1well, apparently, like the same guy has won it like two or three years in a row, and he's usually gets it within the first couple of months.
Speaker 2So we're already doing it in like three weeks. We can just drive to the breweries like stamp, stamp, stamp, stamp and that's what I told her.
Speaker 1Well, I mean we're not gonna skip out on the beer part.
Speaker 2We got a stamp.
Speaker 1That's what I told her. I'm like research and development, exactly our indeed, we're gonna write this off as part of the you know what we're doing here. So I told her this. It was Saturday that we were out there and Came back here and you know Everybody had like one or two more just kind of relaxing and talking about you know the week and we were planning the in-laws anniversary party and all the other stuff or whatever and we're like all right, we got to get on this thing. So we, going on the North Shore, we're gonna go up to Grand Marais, get to Luz and hit like you know eight, nine breweries tomorrow. And she said yeah, and then they showed up here and we just had Sunday coffee and we but that was the plan we were gonna get you know like eight to ten out of the out of the way, right off, right off the bat.
Brewing Company and Contract Brewing Opportunities
Speaker 1But such as life, you know like right, all the best laid plans, but it is a great thing. I used to have like not this particular one, but you know we used to get one, probably like three, four or five years ago, and we try to get to a bunch of them because, as I mentioned before, involved in the brewery running series. So I'm going to a lot of these breweries, which is always kind of fun. So you sign up for the run and the run would come with one or, depending on you sign up for, like the gold, or however you signed up, you might get two free beers as part of the registration. So if you have the two free beers part of the registration and then you buy one and you have the passport, now you get four for the price of one. Wow, let me tell you, somebody else is driving home.
Speaker 2I would hope so. Yeah, isn't always bad. I was drinking. Drive people. Yeah, don't drink. And drive.
Speaker 1Absolutely don't do that, Don't get in at any of that.
Speaker 2That's the disclaimer for the episode.
Speaker 1Drink responsibility, Yep friends don't let friends drive drunk always bring somebody else to drive you around Because you're gonna have those four and then you can want to go to another place Because you still have the passport and you got to get more places.
Speaker 2So the passports, buy one, get one at every place, right?
Speaker 1Yeah, I thought so yep, so yeah, pretty soon six becomes eight, we should get them to let us sponsor them on our show.
Speaker 2I'll do a little advertisement about them, and there we get some kickback.
Speaker 1I like that. I think that that's a brilliant plan. We'll make this happen. I'll have my people talk to their people and by my people will be one of us right, we will talk, and I think they're good.
Speaker 2In like 26 states or 28 states have a hot passport. Okay, for specific states. Yeah, yeah this one me on the exact number of states, but I do know you can get one for different.
Speaker 1Google it right now, no, this one had, so this one had. I was like 125 or something like that or whatever, but there's probably 10 of them that were not Minnesota, so they actually added them.
Speaker 2Usually they're like just.
Speaker 1Minnesota, but it put a bunch, a couple of them like superior Hudson, I think there was one or two in like Iowa or something, because they're, I mean they're kind of bordering, you know. I mean, you know it's. I think there was one, it was kind of random though that was in like Kansas City, but otherwise everything else was like on the border of Minnesota, you know. I mean like Grand Forks or something like that. So, which is some point time we're gonna be talking as speaking Grand Forks, fargo area. Drecker is on the list here. Come on the list.
Speaker 1At some point in time. If you're listening out there on the podcast, make sure when you go to liquor store next time go and pick up some Drecker, and then you'll be ready for the next episode perfect at some point time in the future. So I'm still kind of winding that one up just a little bit. So, uh say, to do all these social media platform for that up and coming, but for now we'll continue drinking this IPA.
Speaker 2This is a very good IPA to drink. I have no problems with this jackpot juice hazy IPA. I would drink definitely a lot more of this. In fact, this IPA is so tasty and light that I would probably drink a few of these after I mowed the lawn for four hours. And hot and sweaty, because it's that like light of A taste, light of a beer, not heavy and thick and for an IPA.
Speaker 1Are you taking shots at peak course? Sure, are you doing. Call back to an episode you know earlier.
Speaker 1So two roads moving further along, their their website here a little bit. If you go to their website to two roads brewing calm Talks a lot about what they do, a lot of what they have for beers, their contact page. They actually have an opportunity where you can do contract brewing, which is kind of an interesting thing. They have the ability. You basically have a world-class facility and a team dedicated to make your stuff but at the same time they're still Small townish or at least that's kind of the thing. They're not Coors or they're not Miller. It's it's a different kind of deal. So if you have something you want to be able to try to expand as a brewer, you can be able to do that without having to like upscale all of your equipment. You can actually, you know kind of pay to be able to work that out. So kind of a little bit of a different deal with that.
Speaker 2That's pretty cool, especially if you're a home brewery, you know, and you want to try to get out there a little bit or have a larger capacity To make your stuff. They actually partner with a brewery to use their equipment. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1They are owned and managed by the beer industry veterans. They are the first brewery to be designed, built and staffed to offer contract services, including craft beer, barrel-aged Heartseltzer and RTD or ready to drink cocktails. So that's kind of the Flavortown deal where you're gonna get like a vodka Lemonade, you know, or vodka cranberry, like that kind of thing, or like a fruit punch kind of deal. So in 2020, combined production of two roads in the contract brands made them the 19th largest independent brewer, according to data compiled by the Brewer's Association. So they've definitely expanded quite a bit with what they, what they've been able to offer over the course of the years.
Speaker 2Nice.
Speaker 1Nice, the leadership founded by four partners with over 75 years Brad Hittle is the CEO work for a LeBat and Papst, papst.
Speaker 2Yes, their chief. Yeah, some good, that's some heavy hitters right there, I haven't even heard of a LeBat, and for a while I would assume they're still making beer and they're out there, if not somebody. I'm sure, owns their recipes and stuff.
Speaker 1We may have to go up to Bemidji to get it, but right, I'm not beyond the road trip, that's not something that is on my wheelhouse Phil McCarvus key. Mike was out ski Been brewing commercially since 1989. Prior to that he was at New England Brewing Company in South Hampton Public House, won dozens of awards at the Great American beer festival and World Cup medals World beer cup medals, I should say now.
Speaker 2World Cup. He was not a soccer player. Oh, so maybe a soccer ball, not that level football.
Speaker 1Chief commercial officer Clem Pallani Worked with Brad at LeBat and Phil at New England Brewing Company, so some connection right. There also had sales rolls at EJ Gallo, which I believe is wine. Hmm but I mean it's sales, so sure.
Speaker 2I don't drink wine. I think all wine is terrible. I've tried numerous red wines and white one. I just I'm just not a wine guy.
Speaker 1After I've had a few I'm willing to try even more. But Generally there's only about one kind of wine, like if I want a cruise or something like that, like I'll have.
Speaker 1Like, oh, there's only one that I'll order and it's the only one that I'd like Built up enough taste so that actually kind of enjoy it. When I go to Ligur store, I don't I don't ever go to the wine section. No, like I'm gonna have a sauvignon blanc, but if I'm on cruise then it's like, well, that's the thing I know. I'm wearing all nice get up and I'm ordering a flaming yawn. I'm gonna get something kind of Instead of a blue moon.
Speaker 2You know Light on the table, yeah, so.
Speaker 1Phil and Brad and Clem. Who else joined the crew? Peter Doring, chief financial officer and chief operating officer. Career in finance before oh wow, he had a career in energy finance before joining director D e R e K T, o, r, so director shipyards as. Coo and CFO, so a Little bit of a different path to get. Everybody else has got a lot of brewing background, so he goes from shipyards to energy, to brewery.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, he's a CFO for a brewery.
Speaker 1I mean, that's probably kind of like how a lot of people like myself At some point. I want to have a bar, I want to have a sports bar. I could do this. It'll be maybe a project when I retire, oh, and how it's here, oh, okay, I have the opportunity to do that. So why wouldn't you try to do that? You know, give her a shot. Then they have a manager of operations, brian Holinger. So a lot of people that are involved with that process through different leadership.
Speaker 1Located in Stratford, connecticut, ideally suture a, situated to serve customers and distributors through the Northeast and Mid Atlantic area, and Approximately give or take 12 or 13, there are about a hundred million people within 500 miles of Stratford. Wow, so not a very, not a very bad to be able to. You know location to be at their quarter mile off of I-95, so they're right on easy to be able to get to and get in and out of 56 miles to Boston. So a lot, of, a lot of opportunity to be able to do that. Let's hear the contract side of things two large manufacturing compliance manufacturing facilities on nine and a quarter acres totaling 125,000 square feet is what they have between the storage, storage buildings and the manufacturing facilities. So that's kind of crazy, like how much they have 225,000 square feet.
Speaker 1Okay but they do lease an additional 21,000 square feet Across the street for overflow storage needs.
Speaker 2So those combined are like the size of a small Walmart. Then, mm-hmm, yeah, 140,000 square feet.
Main Building and WNBA in Connecticut
Speaker 1So which, if you think of all of the stuff that Walmart's have in there and you know it seems kind of small when you go into something like that, but if it's only beer and it's only one brewery, a lot of space. That's a lot of beer you could be able to put in there. Main building was constructed in 1911, additions in 46 and 54 and then in 2012, when two roads bought it. They gutted it, cleaned it, painted it, did new floors, drainage and electrical systems, as well as boilers and lighting.
Speaker 1So a lot of work that they did when they first got it, and they also have area to which is their innovation center hmm, it is located at the bookends with the main facility and it houses the pilot brewery, along with seven 100 barrel fermenters, an abundant barrel aging and folder aging infrastructure and its own dedicated lab. No, they have. They have a lot going on over there. I think it'd be kind of fun to be able to go and check that out at some point in time. Don't say that out loud because Amanda's already like you guys gonna want to do road trip out there.
Speaker 2That's fine yeah you know why not who's opposed to road trips.
Speaker 1You know why. Would you get, let's hear, brewing system is sold in 2012, state-of-the-art and use a Bromit Siemens based system, and on their website they list all of their details. Brewhouse is an automated five one hundred barrel system. They can, let's hear, up to 200,000 barrels per year, depending on product mix. So they got all sorts of different things. So, about anything you would want to be able to do. So if you want to upscale or up size what you have as far as a distributorship, especially if you're on the east coast, this is something you'd want to be able to get in that way, you don't have to buy that infrastructure.
Speaker 1You can just alright, here's what we're gonna do. If nothing else, you could do that for a couple of years while you build up your infrastructure with that influx of capital and be able to do that. So they got canning lines, bottling lines, kegging lines and and all sorts of warehouses. So lots of stuff to be able to find on just on their contact page. That's all. This is all stuff that's just on their general website that they have. So a lot of really cool stuff that you can find on there.
Speaker 1So what else do they do? Well, they make good beer, by the way, and drinks.
Speaker 2Yeah, they do make real good beer. Again, this jackpot juice if you can get a hold of it somewhere, two roads wherever you live, try it. It's good stuff by the mix pack, the IPA mix pack that we have here it's definitely worth a try. This jackpot juice, hazy IPA I didn't mention his 5.8% alcohol volume, but we did talk about that. It is collaborated with the Mohegan Sun Indian tribe, which is pretty interesting. What they've done with the NBA WNBA I'm sorry, wnba Nobody really pays attention to a whole lot, let's be honest, but those WNBA players are highly skilled and they're very good, absolutely Tremendous ball players pulled some cool stuff up about the Mohegan Sun and how they actually purchased the WNBA team and brought them up there.
Speaker 1Yeah, I didn't, I was. I thought at one point in time that the Connecticut Sun played At the Mohegan Sun casino and I just thought initially I'm like, well, it's just, they have an area to be able to do that. They'd be kind of a cool Attraction for people going there. In a way, it's kind of like you know Vegas, you go to shows, you know it's kind of one of those kind of deals that, right, this is our draw to be able to get people here. Well, that is part of it, but that's only a small part of it. It actually turns out. I didn't know this. Probably maybe I did at one point time in my life, but sometimes I drink beer and forget things.
Speaker 1And so it actually was the Orlando miracle. That was a team when the WNBA first started. They spent a couple of years in Orlando as the sister franchise to the Orlando magic, after years of some issues with financial Problems and whatnot, which I think that there's especially early on. I think there was a lot of that with the WNBA which, yeah, is gonna happen with just about any startup kind of leak. You've seen that with the US FL or the XFL now twice, or the what was the other PFL or the different things that they've had.
Speaker 2Yeah, they just don't draw the revenue that established exactly franchises do or established leagues do.
Speaker 1And so they, you know, kind of ran through some issues there and so they were kind of on the verge of kind of folding up shop and so the Mohegan Indian tribe actually purchased them. So it's actually the tribe that purchased the Connecticut Sun or the Orlando miracle and move them to Connecticut and then renamed them the Connecticut Sun and have a play there. So they're actually a tribal owned Organization, which I thought was kind of a basketball thing.
Speaker 2Yeah, I remember the Orlando miracle like we were talking. I remember the name in the WNBA but of course I don't follow the WNBA too closely to know that they were about to fold or they got bought and moved to Connecticut Sun. I wouldn't even have known their land or miracle was around at one time till you brought it up. But when I thought about it I'm like, oh yeah, I do remember there was a WNBA team in Orlando. I just had no clue. It moved up to Connecticut and I always have known of the Connecticut Sun Because, if I remember correctly, Lindsay Whalen was drafted by a good sign.
Speaker 1I was just gonna say that was. It was a. It was one of the first couple of years that they moved to Connecticut Is when they drafted her.
Speaker 2Lindsay Whalen play out there for a few years before we we somehow acquired her. I don't know if we traded for.
Speaker 1Yep, we traded for so that was that was what I was reading on here was the. It was very Controversial even when they drafted her, because they assumed that what we're gonna draft her and just trade her to Minnesota right away, which would be a little bit weird, because if there's not trade equity there, why would you just do that? You know, for whatever. But they drafted her anyway and she played some high-level basketball there for it Was like six years, I think.
Speaker 2She was there that?
Speaker 1long she was there, yeah, and then they were kind of they peaked and had a lot of playoff drama within their team and, you know, there were injuries and just stuff going on and they started kind of go over the edge and so they were just like, all right, we need to kind of reset. And they traded and try to make a bunch of different deals, you know, to be able to fix things a little bit to a certain extent, and that's how we ended up being able to Weasel Lindsay Whalen out of Connecticut you know, of course she's in the WNBA Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1It was a release of one.
Speaker 2Four titles with the Minnesota. Lynx was a star for the Minnesota Golden Gophers. Now Did the Connecticut Sun win a title with her.
Speaker 1I don't think that did yeah, I have to yeah, I'd have to go back and Check my out of records here and then with the Golden Gophers.
Speaker 2Didn't we get to the final four with her? Yeah, we got to the final four. We lost with her and.
Speaker 1Janelle McCarville and I don't remember a single other person was on that particular team but I don't know.
Speaker 2They were good that year and Janelle McCarville got drafted into the WNBA too. Yeah, she played a handful of years, but she didn't have nearly the career no then she played a couple years at the end of her career with Minnesota as well with the Lynx.
Speaker 1Mm-hmm, let's see your rise to prominence. They defeated Eastern Conference. Finals ruled on their run would end. They lost to the Seattle storm and 2004 they must add Sue Bird back in 2004. Yeah, I think so yeah, 2005. They acquired somebody and had to deal with injuries and they lost. They had a home court advantage, but they lost in the finals in four games in a, the best of five, okay.
Speaker 2So I thought she played in the finals with Connecticut. But, like I said, I don't follow the WNB 8 too closely, so I don't I can't say for certain. But I did follow it a little bit closer when she played here at the links with my Amor and Simone Augustus and we just dominated for about eight years when we won four titles and went there what six times with four titles.
Speaker 1That was a whole lot of fun they lost in an upset in the Eastern Conference finals the following year and then in 2007. Just a Dismal kind of year, but they were able to battle back into play-out position. And Then let's hear game one against the fever. They had a 17-point lead in the third quarter, which, if you've ever watched an NBA game, doesn't mean anything until the last five minutes of the game, which is a little aggravating to me. Yeah, but they raced back to force overtime. It went three over times, first time that happened in WNBA play-off history. Son eventually won it, but the fever won the next two games and eliminated him from the playoffs in 2007. So, yeah, it looks like they had a kind of a high point there for five. And then it just kind of all fell apart kind of after things with that. And let's see here when did they trade? Trying to find where they traded. Yet 2010, they traded Lindsay Whalen. They snagged the first overall pick With the from the links. So that's what it was. We had the first overall pick Gotcha.
Speaker 2Yeah, definitely worth it for us. I mean, we only won four titles with her, so yeah perfect.
Speaker 1Hard to say if you got really a good return on investment with that one. So yeah, that's a tough one. Yeah, she's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2So yeah, Charles Barkley introduced her to the Hall of Fame too which is pretty cool, that man's a no-go ahead. Yeah, he has no filter. I mean, he probably has a small one because he has to, but he's pretty filter-free, even he's commentating.
Sustainability Initiatives in Two Roads Brewing
Speaker 1FCC balance. That's about it beyond that, right? So a couple of things I want to mention about two roads here before we kind of delve off into La La Land and everything else. So one of the other things it's really big for them. The moment that they built that 100 year old factory, they immediately decided sustainability was going to be a priority, and so they started trying to reuse parts of the factory to be able to do some of the things that they're doing. I mean that have now worked a bunch of green initiatives in 2014. They added a 70 panel solar field.
Speaker 1Nice provides high-temperature water for production needs. They preheat to brewing water and cover 100% of the heat requirements for canning, restrooms and kegging lines. Even in winter, a sunny day yields a surprising amount of energy. So kind of interesting. They do a lot with water conservation. They use eight gallons of water to brew one gallon of beer, or the typical brewer uses Eight gallons of water to brew one gallon of beer, which is very bizarre. Why that would necessarily be Because anytime that I've brewed as a home brewer, you usually use six gallons for five gallons of beer.
Speaker 1So I don't know what they're doing with the rest of their beer, or if I don't understand the massive production side of things, but again, that's something that Brandon might have to be able to bring to the table on that one.
Speaker 1So it's a little bit different with that, but they only use six gallons for it, so they save a little bit of water that way. A lot of the equipment comes from Europe and they use clever methods for conservation. For example, a bottling line reuses filters and the water used to rinse the bottles prior to filling, so they reuse a lot of the sure water. That's happening, and the clean in place system used to clean the brewing equipment was also another place that they save water. They capture, rinse water and reuse it for the next cleaning job, therefore Reducing the amount of water right and wastewater that they're putting in the the sewers as well, so Saving a lot with their electricity. They have a lot of high-efficiency LEDs, advanced network lighting controls, smart LED lighting is used throughout the facility and breweries that automatically dims or brightens according to the ambient light that's out there, so it's able to be adjusted as it goes automatically.
Speaker 2A lot of companies seem to do that now. Big corporations do. A lot of retailers do that.
Speaker 1Let's hear, and they have installed dozens of VFDs or variable frequency drives To run the pumps or motors and it only runs as fast as needed and then shuts down when it doesn't need it, so saving a lot of energy there. Waste water they created a fair amount of wastewater, but it's a combination of yeast grain solids, rinsing water and alkaline solutions. Contains a lot of biological Oxygen demand from live yeast and trace amounts of brewing minerals, so they use that to keep their bio reactor running smoothly as it breaks down solids and wastewater.
Speaker 2Yeah, you need that bio reactor functioning properly. You know you don't want that to get out of out of bio.
Speaker 1I had a little bit of that over this course of the weekend.
Speaker 2It was a bad day.
Speaker 1Let's see here A lot of steam used during the brewing process. They use that for steam boilers to be able to, you know, try to do some heating and some of their natural gas uses. So they save some money with that and also use less Bustle fuels. I guess to a certain extent that to be able to heat the brewery, heat the tasting rooms and then just Random elements throughout the entire building.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's interesting about this. It seems to be a common theme with breweries. You know we talked about a couple episodes ago Boulevard brewing and out of Kansas City does so much conservation type of stuff there and renewable energies and Things like that and we talked about with the fat tire. You know that beer from that brewery out in Colorado, a lot of renewable stuff, conservation Technology there. The stuff's definitely interesting that the technology and the the processes go to save energy. It's kind of fascinating kind of how all that works.
Speaker 1You know like so many different breweries. They also they're spent grain. A lot of places will send it to landfills, but so many businesses and I really like this they send it to farmers average 500 tons per month that they send to a dairy farms right, you know cattle farms of different sorts. You know I've seen it go to a lot of pig farmers, a lot of things like that. So I like pork they do a lot of that. Absolutely, it's absolutely fantastic. I like bacon, bacon, good bacon's fantastic.
Speaker 2I do think bacon's a little bit overrated. You know, for a while there had this brief Moment like what ten years of everything? Was bacon, bacon, this bacon All right, you're over doing the bacon a little bit, right, you know, like me, some bacon. Yeah, but now does my everything my malt from Burger King.
Speaker 1We had the bacon chunks in there like okay, got too far.
Speaker 2I'll carry it away with the bacon.
Speaker 1Let's see here what else say. They got the last little section here. They reuse a lot of stuff. They did six hundred thousand dollars worth of cleanup when they bought the building. So how you think about the investment on the front side, like you're talking about a million dollars just to get the building going.
Speaker 2Right before you even clean before you remodel. I that's just to get it cleaned up ready to build unreal.
Speaker 1They had a clean up contaminated soil, asbestos, lead paint with a state grant. They were able to get some money to be able to help pay for some of that and be able to renovate the building. But most of the pieces you see in this tasting room are actually from the old factory and other sources, so that way they're not Just throwing things away a to have that history there but also be less waste once again. So they use a lot of that. Panels in the bar in the tasting room are made from old wood from the factory that was there. Some of the wire spools on the tables are used from the old factory tasting rooms. At area 2, which is they the Lab, if you will, it has a bunch of tables that are made from wood that was Reclaimed from a church that was in the area as well.
Speaker 1So lots of stuff going on there, trying to be able to reuse a lot of stuff and being able to Just try to help the environment to a certain extent, or at least I shouldn't say help in a very. I always think it's funny when people are like, oh, it's ego friendly, like I don't know that anything is ego friendly. I think it's just less equal harmful, is more so what it is. So, yeah, they do a lot of things or whatever to be able to help with, trying to be able to Help the planet or at least not harm it as much. So, yeah, a lot of good information there from two roads brewing, as I mentioned, the air other could they're kind of connected with the Flavortown spiked, which doesn't have a whole lot of information on their website, just shows a press release that Guy Fieri has a Line of malt beverages with two bro, two roads brewing, flavortown spiked is what they have.
Speaker 2So you know that they were a very sound buddy. Flavor town sounds like a song, like somebody's gonna make a song is gonna be called Flavortown they probably could you think so like a pop song or a rap song or something.
Speaker 1I like it.
Speaker 2We should do that we could work on that in between episodes. That's what we'll do, and then you can sing it for everybody, I will I won't, I won't, I won't do that.
Speaker 1Maybe, if I have the, the road to ruin double IP.
Speaker 1I will start then we'll start talking about doing some singing. So I look forward to that. I you know, I just can't wait. So yeah, that's kind of the interesting. That's all the information that we have here. There's also a really good article I won't go too much into it, but it is really good article on good beer hunting comm. That talks a lot about Mike was out ski, I mean Phil Markowski about his background and what they're doing with the brewing and what they have there. So I kind of recommend it. He spent 18 months of travel and research to be able to write a book and Spend a lot of time in Belgium and learned a lot about brewing from there as well. So kind of an interesting little read there. So if you get a chance to check that out, definitely power ski.
Speaker 2Mike was out ski. Are you done with your reports?
Speaker 1So yeah, so that's kind of the recap of two roads brewing nice.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's good beer. Go get yourself some two-road brewing absolutely.
Speaker 1Yeah, let's see here. What else do we got going on in the the world of Since we're talking about two roads here.
Speaker 2I've got two roads we can talk about kind of let's Kind of get a little political, but we're not because it isn't the Republican thing or a Democrat thing, but it's a pretty big thing.
Border Wall and Immigration Reform Discussion
Speaker 2I need to crack the double IPA here before we get to the world right now that a lot of people aren't talking about, or at least mainstream media isn't talking about it, but of course all your independent news media's. Let's talk about the border wall or border down between us and Mexico. You know if you haven't been paying attention. Of course Texas has been trying to secure the border themselves because the federal government is not obeying the federal law and Stopping an invasion if you want to call it an invasion from that country. They're literally. The border patrol is literally Letting the illegal immigrants being released Into the country now. So let's chat about that. But anyway, what's your whole take on the border wall thing? I'm glad Texas is doing what they're doing.
Speaker 2Arizona joined, 27 other states joined, to send resources down there to stop this, because the Biden administration is not and again, this isn't Republican Democrat thing, this is just basic law versus not law. The law says Legal immigration is illegal and you cannot do it. But our or the press, the administration running the country, doesn't want to do anything about it. So I'm proud of the states that are doing it, but the same time, we need to have some sort of reform through Congress, in the Senate, to like these people that want to come to this country and do it legally. It needs to be a quicker process. Yes, you know these people can't sit on these lists for eight, nine, ten years to try to come here and have a better life. We need to get people processed through a quicker, through a judge, and get them Documentations. They can work and pay their fair share taxes like the rest of us.
Speaker 1They can come here and try to Survive and live a good life like the rest of us and that was what I was gonna, exactly what I was gonna say that, again, not making it, you know, into a political thing, to a certain extent, just a welfare thing, and even a welfare Just of the country in general is you got to know, like, who's getting there? I mean, businesses do background checks, everybody does something like that. You know, if you, it doesn't have to be something where we're taking five years to be able to do these background checks. Granted, it's a little harder when you're going to countries that don't have the proverbial infrastructure to be able to track some of that stuff. So it does make a little more challenging, but at the same time, I will 100% concede to anybody that complains about it, the point that you're making that the process is as About as cumbersome as it could possibly takes forever.
Speaker 1Yeah, if it's something that do, I think that there should be people just streaming freely. I do not know, we don't have that, even coming from Canada. I'm not not in, people are running away from Canada, but we still have the same thing. We still have border protection. We still have, if you're like there's at one point there was a thing on CBS Sunday morning, because, yes, I am an old fella and I do like watching CBS Sunday morning, but there was a bus that would actually have to go to. I believe it was like the Northwest angle or something, which is like you got to go there either by water or through.
Speaker 2Canada again.
Speaker 1But they would have to stop at a phone booth, call in the names of all the kids around the bus and then be able to proceed and then do it again before getting to the school, and so it's something like that that we have all of these things in place.
Speaker 1If, if it's done the right way and that's the biggest hang-up is that it should be done the right way and people should have to be able To go through some sort of process and be able to get all of these things, because they're getting all of the protections and all of the things that are Beneficial about being in this country, that that we enjoy, but at the same time, they're skipping like a lot of the things.
Speaker 1And, granted, do we lose all of our rights when we do something illegal to a certain extent, but you're still extended, you know a bunch of rights when you're in jail and things like that, and you can. We can get into all of the political discussions about that, but I will 100% say I Truly believe that there should be. Whether it's a wall, I guess I don't care if it's a wall or something, because you can always get around a wall, you can dig, you can go over, you can cut them, take a boat around the edge. There's so many different ways to be able to do that. People have been coming from Cuba and barrels.
Speaker 1Right makes you have raps so there's always going to be a way, but I don't believe that it should be just completely wide open. However, I do think that the process needs to be fixed. It should not take years, especially if somebody has a legitimate case for some sort of persecution, whether it be family or my family just happened to have a section of land that the cartel was moving in, and Well, they killed my husband by lopping his head off, and, you know, they gave us one chance to run, and so we took off. Right, that might have a little bit of a case. Instead of throwing them in a cage, let's try to expedite some of that. How do you do that? I don't know.
Speaker 2That's part of why.
Speaker 1I don't run for any political office. I don't have the answers. I identify that there's problems and they think that it should be fixed.
Speaker 2The problem is both Republicans and Democrats. They can't agree on anything. They always vote down party lines. Nobody crosses the aisle to Make a common sense Solution to something like the immigration. Reform needs to happen. It needs to happen quickly and people just can't wait that long to become citizens. You know.
Speaker 1If anything.
Speaker 2Give them work visas so they can work, you know, and pay taxes like everybody else. It's just not that difficult. But you know, politicians seem to make everything difficult for Republicans and Democrats alike.
Speaker 1Every, every single decision in the end by a politician is made for political reasons.
Speaker 2Oh and.
Speaker 1I think that that's I'm not.
Speaker 2I'm not supposed to be. That's the problem, absolutely.
Speaker 1And that's what it kind of makes me. It reminds me a little bit of a what was the? Trying to remember the exact quote. But again, you know, if we're talking into your politics or whatever, I'm gonna fall back on the West Wing because that's my level of politics. You know TV show but at one point time they made the comment that Politics gets in the way of actually accomplishing anything.
Speaker 1If you want to be able to accomplish anything you take, like 14 people that are Republican, 14 people that are Democrat. If you want to submit a page, whatever it is, you lock them in a room with all of the issues and Nobody gets to talk about why they voted a certain way or what they voted for. They just make the decisions and Come out as a group and say this is what needs to be done or this is what's happening and it can't be politicized, and that's the only way you'd be able to get anything done. Now. Is that any chance? That's gonna happen? Absolutely not. It'll never happen. But at the same time, like, that's one of the things that you, like, you can't make. And I feel like at one point in time in my life, you could get stuff done, you could do those things.
Speaker 2It was very political, but you could still get things done slow, but it happens yeah especially within the last probably 10 plus years.
Speaker 1You're not. If you say that you're a Republican, or if you say you're a Democrat, people will question you about all the things that you believe and stuff like that, and then you are not Deemed worthy because you are not Republican enough right, you're not democratic enough and you. You can argue with me If you want, but look at what is happening with national elections.
Speaker 1That's what's happening right now, that something to yeah, and it's like if you can't get somebody that can bring people to more to the middle, we're never gonna get anything accomplished. It's just not gonna happen. You're gonna have to wait until one side has the majority and we're starting to see it now where it's one side has the majority and then they fix everything that half the people want and mess everything up that half the other people want, and then it pendulum swings to the other side and it's a clear majority by everybody for the other side and the same things happen on that side, and then it's just bickering back and forth.
Speaker 2And then the problem is the majority versus the nonmajority. So slim it's like 52 to 48, yeah, 51 to 49, you know. So it's not like it's a massive majority or a massive minority of voters.
Speaker 1It's almost 50 50, you know it's pretty crazy, which is why it's always mind-boggling to me that when we're getting somebody that's going to be again Democrat, republican, whatever they're going to be the quote nominee of something, we're still picking somebody that has to be so extreme on the edge of that, because we don't want them to try to agree with anybody. We don't want that. We don't want that party to come over here and try to dictate what we're doing, because then you look soft, right and it's like, okay, if it's 50 50 and you're not willing to acknowledge the other side, then you're just a moron and I will put that on a bumper sticker Right now, like that's just. I just don't understand, wrap my head around that and it's, I don't know. It's part of why I've hated politics I just don't want to be involved in because it just drives me.
Speaker 2It makes everybody mad and there's so much of it that's common sense stuff on both sides that both have good common sense ideas but neither other side want to come to a resolution. You know, like the border wall thing and processing immigrants faster, that needs to happen. We need to have a wall. I do believe we just can't have hundreds of thousands of people coming over every month. We just can't support it. You know, the sanctuary cities now New York and stuff are coming out complaining Because they can't support them. Well, no crap, you know, we just don't have the resources to support hundreds of thousands of people coming over constantly. But if we have a wall to slow it down but process people faster so we can give them a spot to go and papers to go and papers to get the jobs and there needs to be social services available to be able to get down.
Speaker 2Up and right away.
Speaker 1Yeah, if you, if you're just like, okay, you just breeze right on through and now we're gonna dump you in Santa Fe with you're now on the street now.
Speaker 1Now you're a bus, bye, it's not easy to become unhomeless you know, and that's a whole different argument but it's not easy to get out of that because even just going to a job interview Okay, well, now you don't speak English, or even if you do, maybe it's a little bit and you're dirty and you're wearing same clothes You've had on for three months, right Ripped in, torn and maybe even some blood on it from stuff you've gone through. And now you're trying to be able to have an interview and, granted, this is for, like, pushing cards at Walmart or something like that, but at the same time, what are the odds you're gonna be able to get something like that?
Speaker 1Well, it makes it tough and then if you do that, does that help get you somewhere? You know, I mean, like, the process to be able to advance yourself in a way, to be able to make yourself sustainable, isn't easy. It's challenging. You can make the argument whether it should be or shouldn't be, but it's not easy, you know it's especially when you're fleeing to a different country. It's that much more challenging and there's just not that structure available for it right, and what's really just talking about this?
Discussion on Child Trafficking and Immigration
Speaker 2I'm gonna open another one. And what's really disappointing about all this? And we can't process immigrants faster, but we can't have them float across, so we need a wall. What was taking advantage of this is the cartel. They're making hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, charging these people saying they'll bring them across the border, and they do, for eight thousand dollars ahead and ten thousand dollars ahead. You know I've even seen videos online of the cartel on the other side of the wall, like given a salute as they let people go through the gate. You know I'm thinking how many women get raped along these journeys when you have tens of thousands of people trying to come and how many have died.
Speaker 2And child trafficking? You know that's, that's huge, but nobody ever wants to talk about child trafficking. You know which is Not even child trafficking. We'll call it human trafficking or a better term for it. That's not politically arced slavery, because that's what it is. You know you can still buy slaves today, if people aren't aware of that. You can go over to Middle East and actually buy one on a market today, in 2024, which doesn't ever seem to get talked about. But that's what's coming across the border is. You know, women are getting raped and Kids are getting trafficked. It's crazy Like we need to stop that, not have this notion of an open border so they'll stop the cartels from bringing people over. But if we can actually get people processed quicker, if they come here through legal checkpoint quicker so we can process them faster, that should hopefully Eliminate the whores that some of these people have to go through just to try to get here and try to have a better life.
Speaker 1Even mitigate just a handful of it. You know, if you can lessen it, do something I have. It should be processed. You know there's enough. There's enough wealth in this country To be able to do some of these things, and I understand that that means more taxes and more financial burdens or whatever you want to say money properly, because the government doesn't spend money properly, let's leave.
Speaker 2the money is already taken and exists, they just choose not to spend it properly.
Speaker 1That's a flat-out fact right there. Yeah, that's I don't know. I spent time in Florida walking around a different place over there. Let me tell you there's some money available. So, yeah, I I don't know. It's good thing this one's a double.
Speaker 2That's really all I got about that, you know. I just thought I kind kind of tied in with two roads. You know there's roads down there, one on this side of all, one on some of that side of all, depending on where you're at on each side of the River. But Seeing it on the news and social media like it seems so simple for most average Americans to figure this out. You know. But why our federal government isn't doing anything about it? When it is the law, they're breaking the law. You got states that are trying to enforce the law. You got politicians, senators and congressmen that don't do anything about it, barely put any bills forward. It's pretty sad all the way around, you know. It's just. It's kind of heartbreaking. This is supposed to be the greatest country in the history of earth and we're dropping the ball, man hardcore powers.
Speaker 1A hell of a drug, and if you come up with a political stance, it's not popular. You lose that drug money, power, greed.
Speaker 2You know it's crazy.
Speaker 1It's. It's a hell of a thing.
Speaker 2So all right, I got a fact for you you want to fact now? I think.
Speaker 1I got another fact for you too, but I'll let you go first.
Speaker 2Disappointing political. Well, it wasn't really political talk just common sense stuff. You know, after a couple beers we can figure out solutions, and all this stuff We've talked about that before we were gonna.
Speaker 1We have an app for a how to respond to your wife, or something, didn't we?
Speaker 2were gonna do something like that.
Speaker 1That would be cool too. That was probably a terrible idea.
Speaker 2Ideas only get better with more beer. They never never bad ideas. All right, so here we go. So here's the crazy fact I came across the other day. If humans could jump like a grasshopper, grasshoppers can be aggressive.
Speaker 1That would be aggressive.
Speaker 2Humans could easily jump the length of an entire football field if we could jump like a grasshopper. That's unreal. Can you imagine jumping 300 feet?
Speaker 1I I could imagine jumping it, but I think that my knees would say no, because the landing I'd have to superhero land like.
Speaker 2Seeing some human just fly into the air, oh, my god, that'd be unreal kind of reminds me that movie jump. Or you ever watch that movie jumper? Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1We've here and appear here. It was kind of an interesting concept. I feel like it was kind of a little bit weird the way that they did it and I guess I'm not the biggest Christian's and fan, but that was pretty solid movie. A little bit of Sam Jackson in that one too. Yeah, that was pretty good, good for fact.
Speaker 2you got over there, did you know?
Speaker 1I know a lot of this. This almost seems like I'll know a little bit more after another drink of this this pertains to that. Even to it, almost in a way, seems a little low to me, but I guess, I don't know, have any frame of reference at any point in time. 0.7 of the entire world's population is drunk.
Speaker 2That's hilarious. That is the coolest fact I think I've ever heard.
Speaker 1So just in case you wanted to know, you know 0.7% point seven tire world like.
Speaker 1Is drunk. There's a part of me that feels like it's almost a little bit low, just because at any point in time. I mean, I guess I don't know how many people would be drunk in the Twin Cities right now because bars are open or whatever. But we're getting closer to the way we're recording the podcast. We're getting closer to you know, nine, ten o'clock or whatever. At some point time it's gonna be nine ten o'clock in another time zone right and that's gonna kind of travel the world.
Speaker 1So is that 1% of the population where that time zone is like on a Monday? Well, I don't know, we're not taking that. I would like to know this information. On a Saturday, friday, saturday, stats are a little bit different, that's. Maybe that's where I'm thinking it's.
Speaker 2I don't think you'll be jumping the length of the football field if you're one of those 0.7% Of the world population.
Speaker 1No it might be one of those like a foosball, football field, like something like that, you know, or maybe one of those. What was the old? You plug it in, you know, and it vibrated. The little plastic guys.
Speaker 2Oh, the football guys, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1Like that's probably, that's probably more likely, so perfect, well we hope you enjoyed today's podcast.
Promoting a Beer Podcast
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Speaker 2No, thanks for listening everybody I really appreciate, and God bless you all and until next time.
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