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Kona's Tropical Brews Meet Winter Wonderland
If you've ever wondered how to turn winter woes into warm, beer-infused conversations, grab a seat in our cozy Minnesota studio. With snowflakes piling up outside, we swap tales of snowblowers, tractors, and an inventive attachment that transforms a weed whip into a motorized snow shovel. Meanwhile, we're mentally basking in the Hawaiian sun with a taste test of Kona Brewing Company's finest. From the Big Wave golden ale to the tropical notes of Hanalei Island IPA, these brews are the perfect antidote to winter blues, transporting us to sun-kissed beaches even as the snowflakes fall.
Join us as we recount a memorable trip from seven years ago, tied to a historic event, and the earworm of a concert that never came to be. As we savor the unexpected sweetness of the Gold Cliff IPA, a spirited debate ignites over the authenticity of Kona's mainland production in Oregon and New Hampshire. And just like that, nostalgia ushers us back to the days of "Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?", weaving a tapestry of past and present. With a beer in hand, get ready for a journey that blurs the line between snowy chores and tropical daydreams.
All right and welcome in everybody here to the Two Guys in Beer podcast studio here in beautiful, beautiful Chile.
Speaker 2:Minnesota it's a little chilly. I hate this state. I'm sick of winter already.
Speaker 1:It's a little chilly. I hate this state. I'm sick of winter already. What's funny is the old Minnesota saying it's actually not that bad right now because the wind isn't going. There's not much of a wind chill. It's not so bad.
Speaker 2:Wednesday is supposed to get a pretty heavy wind on that one too. Yeah, I think they're tacking some snow sticking on the ground here, shovelable.
Speaker 1:Shovelworthy, shovelable, shovel some snow sticking on the ground here shovel, shovelable, shovel worthy. No word shovel, shovelable. Well, I got the label.
Speaker 2:I got the uh the plow on the side by side but I got to get the uh snowblower on the tractor before I get too deep into uh, into winter some of us don't have tractors, so now I got the snowblower, the snowblower, the snowplow, up on my side by side about a month ago, greased everything, changed fluids, ready to go. But I did just order a new toy. I don't know how well it'll work, but I keep seeing them on the social media, so I ordered an attachment. Well, it's obviously social media.
Speaker 2:I ordered. There's a mosquito in here.
Speaker 1:Can you believe that? What is it In the?
Speaker 2:wintertime there's a mosquito buzzing around.
Speaker 1:It talks about. I'll talk about a hardy animal surviving through. I think I missed it. I'm not really sure.
Speaker 2:You're not supposed to see those at this time of year.
Speaker 1:I know All sorts of chaos going on in here.
Speaker 2:Right. So the attachment I ordered was for my weed whip. You can put it's like a snow brush or snow blower at the end of your weed whip. It's like a motorized shovel, basically.
Speaker 1:Huh I guess I've seen them where it inches and it rotates kind of like. I think I've seen those for like like power brooms, for like commercial shops or something like that.
Speaker 2:But so you can just attach it right to the weed whip. I have an electric weed whip. It's the only electric thing that I own with battery packs. You know it actually works pretty well. It's a 40 volt system, you know. I thought well, heck, if I can throw some snow with that in the paths that I need to shovel, instead of using the side by side because that doesn't fit right. Well, that'll be better than show us.
Speaker 1:Well, that's we'll see, we have that. We have that battery snowblower here. Oh, I just do like the little parking spot out here, sure, so it's not really, for I don't do the whole driveway with that thing. That thing's a little subpar for that.
Speaker 1:That works pretty well, though, mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, I mean the batteries don't last. I mean they there for an hour or two or something like that. But if it's big heavy snow, I got to go a little bit more gingerly on there, because it'll fritz out and it'll just stop and be like knock it off.
Speaker 2:Well, one to two hours is still pretty good.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I suppose for a battery powered thing. I still prefer fossil fuels with my machinery, but some of those little smaller battery things are kind of worth it. They do have a purpose, but maybe, like you said, not for the whole driveway.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well, and that's, I'm not going to take the tractor, and like I mean the parking spots I would do with the tractor before or whatever, but the path going back and forth here, like that's definitely just a little battery jobby Sure, makes it a lot easier.
Speaker 2:So you know what else is easier, so you're also nice to do when it gets cold out sit inside and drink beer. It is so what kind of beer we got this time.
Speaker 1:Sit inside and drink beer and think of Hawaii as we. We bring you the tale of Kona brewing company. As the the hula is available here, I'll show you my hula later. There we go. I can't wait, Looking forward to that they all are man so, uh, we're traveling to the big island.
Speaker 1:Well, the big island. Potentially there may be some controversy with that as we read into that a little bit more and discuss more of the history of our kona brewing company. Uh, we got a couple of different options up here as our selection. The Mixed Pack that we got pretty widely available. You can get it at most alcohol shops, liquor stores, whatever they call them. You can get it at most places.
Speaker 1:Probably the most popular that you're going to see almost everywhere is going to be the Big Wave. That's going to be your kind of golden ale. You're going to see that on tap a lot of places. It's pretty widely distributed. The Longboard is maybe one of their more popular ones, the Longboard Lager. Then the couple of them that we're going to have today are going to be the Gold Cliff IPA, the Pineapple and Natural Flavors, and then the Hanalei Island IPA with Passion Fruit, orange and Guava in that one. So lots of different options Sounds pretty tasty, so we're going to talk a little bit about that today. So if we're going to get that cracked off, we probably better get the best part of the episode going.
Speaker 2:We better open her up. That, with that hole, that's just a. You know, we should fix a basket under there.
Speaker 1:There we go we could make a little basketball hoop out of there. There we go. I like that. It's a good plan. This one's a little bit deeper, but I think that goes into the middle. That one is going to be more of a stack We'll never get back Next thing.
Speaker 2:You know we'll get some shorts in our equipment throwing stuff in there Exactly. Well, here we go. Goldcliff IPA All right, fresh brewed with pineapple and natural flavor added. So here we go.
Speaker 1:Definitely get the pineapple a little bit. I don't know, sweet is really the way to put it, but it is. It says right there big label with real tropical pineapple.
Speaker 2:I wonder if they get their pineapple from the dole plantation on Oahu. Maybe fresh pineapple there is amazing, I don't know, dave.
Speaker 1:I mean, I've never been to Hawaii, so I guess I'm not big on pineapple, though I like the pineapple flavor, but the stringiness it's a texture thing, you can't do it.
Speaker 2:So I'm not big on pineapple either. It's not a texture thing. I just didn't really care for the flavor a whole lot, Maybe because the pineapples are kind of crunchy. But I'm telling you, when you go to the Dole Plantation on Oahu and you order some Dole Whip with fresh crushed pineapple around the Dole Whip and you're scooping that in your mouth, it's like your taste buds are jumping for joy. It's like little explosions in your mouth.
Speaker 1:Just get a shovel.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, Huh, it is awesome.
Speaker 1:I'm going to have to keep that one in mind. There was discussion of potentially going to Hawaii, maybe this winter. I don't know that it'll happen, but that'd be a little bit of an aggressive kind of turnaround, but that seems like a good discussion.
Speaker 2:Well, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, because we were talking cruise, but that's like six weeks away, so it's a little hard to kind of like wrap that up. You know that quickly, sure. So, but a friend of ours has like a timeshare somewhere in Hawaii, I don't know where, but we were looking at the flights and we're like, maybe not this year, we'll see. That's only, that's February, that's only a couple of months.
Speaker 2:It is an expensive place to go to, that is for sure. I took my daughter there. We went there, holy cow, seven years ago. Oh geez Is when we were there. And the reason I know it's seven years ago is because, well, we were supposed to attend the Lincoln Park concert two weeks later. And what happened two weeks before?
Speaker 1:and that is a tragic day in history.
Speaker 2:A tragic day. Yes, so yeah, Gold Cliff IP man, it sure does taste like pan apple. Actually, so far, I'm really liking this beer more than I was suspecting I would, because I've had Big Wave a lot Like you said it's pretty readily available. Yeah, you can find Big Wave even at concerts and outdoor events. It's pretty fairly common. Yeah, not a huge fan of Big Wave, it's okay, I don't mind it, this is pretty good.
Speaker 1:I would drink some of this. I mean Gold Cliff. I think they're referring to an actual location because the picture on it does have a guy leaping and diving off of golden-looking cliffs. So I'm assuming it's a reference to a certain spot. We'll try to see if we can find out a little bit more as we go along. But kind of that golden pineapple flavor really comes through on that one. Like I don't even get. I mean I get a little IPA but it's very light on the hops side of it is it is an IPA but it's not real, uh, not powerful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you couldn't tell it. I mean, I guess you can tell, but you can't tell if that makes any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could you could you could convince me that this is just a regular ale, not an IPA, so it's a little bit less hops, you know not the bitter portion of somewhere in that, in that range.
Speaker 1:So, but nonetheless, let's, let's dial her up here, let's, let's get the get the show started here, as there's a little bit of controversy, because as you look on the bottle, let's hear on this bottle and see if this one does the exact same thing. Yep, it does. It says brewed by Kona Brewing Company, which he conjured the idea of Goldcliffe IPA and Hanalei IPA and Longboard we're going to the Big Island, we're going to Hawaii. Brewed by Kona Brewing Company. Portland, oregon and Portsmouth, new Hampshire.
Speaker 2:What a bunch of liars.
Speaker 1:Which, by my math, neither one of those things are on the Big Island. I'm not sure, but I haven't looked at. It's been a while since I played the when in the World is Carmen Sandiego board game.
Speaker 2:Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?
Speaker 1:We'll talk a little bit about where that is. I used to love that show. That was a great show. Oh my God, it was so great, did you play?
Speaker 2:the video game in high school, too. I never played the video game, no, but I always wanted to.
Speaker 1:But it was always so frustrating watching the episode and you're like it's right there, the Philippines are right there, and they'd look around with a sign and they had no idea where to go.
Speaker 2:It was so sad. That was a great part of life. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:Great part of growing up. I got to find. Maybe on YouTube I can find some old episodes of that or whatever.
Speaker 2:Did you ever watch Legends of the Hidden Temple? See, I didn't watch a lot of that at all.
Speaker 1:I've seen some highlights and stuff since then, but I wasn't big on watching that or Funhaus.
Speaker 2:Did you ever watch Funhaus TV?
Speaker 1:Funhaus.
Speaker 2:I don't know, it was a game show that I'd run through and try to grab things.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't remember that.
Speaker 2:That's the best I can describe it.
Speaker 1:Right Like six.
Speaker 2:I just remember I liked it and I had the Nintendo game. Oh, and that Nintendo game sucked. Oh, that's it. It was hard.
Speaker 1:I remember American Gladiators and I was always convinced that I could be on that show. Laser, oh my God, yeah, yeah, it was. Just everybody had the epic names and then they tried to bring it back a handful of years ago. That was terrible, that was just a terrible decision, ice. It's even fun now looking back and watching some of those. I mean like the outfits and the way they have even the padding and the gear is just completely ridiculous. But I mean at the time, oh my God, the Eliminator at the end, like you had to wait a certain amount of times before you could start running up the backwards treadmill.
Speaker 2:There's a great documentary on Netflix about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, watch it, I watch it, it's super good, check that out, that looks amazing.
Speaker 1:Anyways. So we're going to first kind of dive into on their website kind of what they go over. Founded by a father and son team, cameron Healy and Spoon Kalsa, the pair had a vision to reflect the spirit and the culture and the beauty of Hawaii in a collection of local craft beers. In 1994, they set out for the Big Island to bring their dreams to life. So they went to the Big Island to be able to kind of get this going Flash forward to today. Kona has become one of the most widely popular craft beer brands in the world. With that being said, it's been able to stay true to Hawaiian roots through innovation, sustainability and community outreach. We'll get into that a little bit more later. I know we've talked numerous times on the podcast about sustainability and things like that giving back, but they have a lot of things that they do, a lot of innovative things to be able to stay kind of sustainable.
Speaker 2:Seems right on par with most craft breweries or microbreweries.
Speaker 1:And they are still headquartered. On their website it does legit say they are still headquartered where it all began Kailua Kona on Hawaii's Big Island. So that's kind of where we start our adventure. Here Again, we'll stick with a little bit of their website, but we'll also kind of do some research here on some of the other locations. They got some of their information and you know it gets a little interesting, you know, when you start getting into the nitty gritty of where is it actually made. I feel like we need like a law and order theme there, or something.
Speaker 2:Wouldn't that be funny? Darn it. We need one of those sound effects buttons. There we go.
Speaker 1:So, founded back in 1994, cameron Healy and his son Spoon Kalsa combined their love of Hawaii and the natural pristine beauty of the island with a fondness of delicious local beers beauty of the island with a fondness of delicious local beers. Lucky for us, the dream continues to live on through the aloha type of phrase. So that's mostly what's out there on their website. So now going over to some different areas here to be able to do that. It's a brewery and pub headquartered in Kailua Kona on Hawaii's Big Island. So there is still a pub there and that's one of the things that they have. It's not just a distributor like Anheuser-Busch. You don't really go to a tap room that's Anheuser-Busch. Maybe again I guess I don't know where you would even do something like that, but wouldn't that be? That would be almost kind of cool. Maybe they have it at the actual. I don't think that Miller Coors did when we did the tour the one time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got beer after the tour there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I don't think it was like a tap room, was it? That was a lot of years ago. We may have to go again. We may have to go again.
Speaker 2:I remember there being quite a few people, yeah, that I can't remember. Yeah, hmm, I would assume Anheuser-Busch kind of has the same gig, right? Yeah, I mean it's so big.
Speaker 1:You know it's not like you're going to go to. I mean, you're going to go to, like you know, locally here. You know you're going to go to 320 Brewery. You're going to have some of those here coming up on future episodes, so make sure you keep following along here, like share, subscribe, like the whole bit there with that one.
Speaker 2:But you don't really, I don't know that you have like a bush light bar? I hope not, that would be terrible.
Speaker 1:That would be kind of interesting though.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm sure there'd be. There'd probably be, you know, like a lot of camel involved, Maybe some lawnmowers parked out front. That is a high on the lawnmower scale Some side-by-sides, absolutely A couple tractors.
Speaker 2:I don't know what it is with bush light. In this specific area of the country, everybody likes bush light it meets a good, easy, smooth drinking beer.
Speaker 1:It's a terrible light, though. It's a good, easy, smooth drinking beer. It's a terrible light, though it is kind of crazy how much like you can't go to a bar around rural Minnesota and rural Wisconsin without having at least one tappy bush light Right and I do say that literally that sometimes they'll have two taps that are bush light.
Speaker 2:One. It sells a lot. How much bush light did you sell out of your bar? Oh, a lot. It's ridiculous yeah.
Speaker 1:It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's unreal. Yeah, mick Golden was always the number one. It's ridiculous. It was right up there.
Speaker 2:You know what's better than Bush Light is Michelob Ultra.
Speaker 1:Ooh, I do like me some.
Speaker 2:Ultra. I'll drink some Ultra. My wife drinks Ultra and I kind of drink it from time to time and it is way something light it's going to be likely an Ultra.
Speaker 1:It's actually what I have in my fridge over at my house right now. Oh perfect.
Speaker 2:That and Modelo. Pretty sure I have some Ultra at home too. I always have Coors Light. I kind of like the Coors Light when I drink a light beer, when I like IPAs, I like the Kona.
Speaker 1:There we go, the Golden Cliff, and now we've got the Golden Cliff going here, so the sister location. There's also another location in Hawaii Kai on Oahu, formerly owned by the Craft Beer Alliance Kona, is now owned by PV Brewing Partners. That's been September of 2020. Oh, okay, so it doesn't give me a link to be able to find out more about that. But Oahu it is. Oh, here we go, PV Brewing. Never mind. This page has not been created yet, Never mind.
Speaker 2:I guess there's no information there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they have multiple different kinds. They say that they have approximately 10 different styles that are brewed on a regular basis and served only to the local Hawaii market at the Kona Brewing, a locally operated pub. So we don't even get the opportunity. Got him, got him, got him that was the last surviving winter skeety and that guy is done, so it's only available locally Kailua, kona and Hawaii Kai, along with restaurants all over the island. So most of what they offer you can only get there. Sure, which I follow, makes sense, rightfully so. It's the state's longest running craft brewery, which I guess. I don't know how many craft breweries are on Hawaii, but I haven't been there so I'm unaware.
Speaker 2:On that one, yeah, I didn't even notice when I was there. I wasn't really looking for one, though, either at the time.
Speaker 1:I'll try to be more cultured and get to places.
Speaker 2:Yes, please Culture.
Speaker 1:More worldly Culture yourself, andy. But it grew into the nationally recognized brand. It was established as an independent brewery, separate from the mainland's Anheuser-Busch operation, which was the mission to create fresh, local craft beers exclusively for Hawaii. So originally started there and then it sounds like this PV Brewing is part of Anheuser-Busch but it's a different one that's more focused on remaining local, so probably just kind of a subsidiary of that. But it's still located right down the road from the original Kona Brewery and Brew Pub. The new brewery has an annual capacity of 100,000 barrels and includes a canning line.
Speaker 1:This 30,000 square foot brewery is one of the most sustainable breweries in the world. We're going to talk a little bit about that. But they generate their own solar energy and store solar energy there. They also recover CO2 from its fermentation process to be able to use with the production and they recover and purify water for cleaning and irrigation. So a lot of sustainability efforts with that. They've also made huge strides in the local community through their Makana Giving Program. Community initiative provides support for local nonprofits that align with Kona Brewing's Hawaii pillars to protect our environment and enrich the quality of life for all. Previous support has gone to the Eddie Icao Foundation and the Waipia Foundation for Surf Rider and Hawaii Chapters.
Speaker 2:Well, that sounds interesting. I feel like the quality of my life has improved every time I take a drink.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, I completely agree. So I'm doing my best with the pronunciation. I'm usually pretty good with pronunciation, but some of the Hawaiian names are a little more challenging. That's why you do the reading, Because there's a lot of punctuation that I've never seen before. So trying to kind of make it work. So the year-round beers are the Longbourn Lager, the Golden Ale, the Big Wave, the Goldcliffe IPA and the Island IPA. These are the four that we have in our mix pack here. Other ones that they have for year-round beers Castaway IPA, Fire Rock Pale Ale and Econa Light Blonde Ale, Castaway huh. So they have a couple of different. Wilson, that was a good movie. What?
Speaker 2:if he had a Kona. He should have had a Kona on that island. He should have. He probably would have enjoyed one.
Speaker 1:Might have been a couple of them on the ship, on the plane.
Speaker 2:That was a super long movie. Actually, it was a super long movie. Actually, it was a very long movie. Tom Hanks is a super good actor, though he's one of the best. And then Denzel Washington, I think, or neck and neck, for probably my favorite yeah.
Speaker 1:Dude speaking of Denzel. Apparently I have heard that the new gladiator movie Watched it yesterday. Garbage. That's what I've heard.
Speaker 2:I haven so I would disagree. Fair enough, fair enough. I thought the new Gladiator movie was pretty awesome. I was kind of surprised when they made a second one, the way the first one ended.
Speaker 1:I mean Russell Crowe. There's nowhere to go with it.
Speaker 2:Russell Crowe is a good actor too, and he I don't know dies in the first one. Spoiler alert if you've never watched the first one, Sorry, apologize. So Denzel washington, I think, did a good job in this one. It was weird to see him in that type of role, but I think he did a good job with that. I thought the movie was great. I think the way they expanded on the story was great and I don't really want to tell you what happens in that movie but yeah and I don't I would.
Speaker 2:yeah, I wouldn't want you to surprised at what happened, but I would definitely recommend you go watch it, that's for sure. Anybody out there go watch the movie, for sure.
Speaker 1:Right Well, and I feel like I still want to at some point, but they were talking about it on the radio and it wasn't exactly glowing reviews on that one.
Speaker 2:That's weird because it was very much like the first one. Of course, the storyline is taking a turn because Russell Corral, maximus, obviously passes away in the first one and the main gladiator of the second one which I will say that at least to not give anything away is Maximus Marilius' son as the new gladiator, and Denzel Washington coaches him Right To fight in the arena. Hmm, interesting, but I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll have to check that out at some point.
Speaker 2:It's definitely worth a watch, hmm.
Speaker 1:The other part that I was going to mention with that is the Equalizer, which is a big movie franchise, the three movies that he had. Apparently, they have had discussions and they feel like there's room for growth even with that character and they've now signed on for potentially two more movies there. Oh, cool, which I always. I mean. The first one was I mean, you want to talk about badass Like that? First one was pretty epic Super badass.
Speaker 1:I have not seen the third one yet, but I've seen clips of the third one, which looked sweet. Second one was pretty good but it felt like it kind of drifted a little bit off with this storm situation.
Speaker 2:Now the third one. I've seen all three, but I don't remember which is which.
Speaker 1:Wasn't he in Italy, or something?
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, I saw the third one, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was awesome yeah.
Speaker 1:It looked like it'd be sweet. Yeah, I don't know I mean it's pretty fun.
Speaker 2:Almost anything with Denzel Washington is awesome, right Almost. He's got a couple of bad movies. You're like, really Like you did that, okay, whatever, but it's still Denzel yeah absolutely so.
Speaker 1:Yeah so, denzel, and yeah, I do also agree, on the other side of things, that Tom Hanks is quite amazing as well. He does a good job, yeah, and in so many different, wide-ranging roles too. A lot of them are kind of similar, but he does various different things all over the place.
Speaker 2:Sure does Big Remember Big Yep.
Speaker 1:Yep Big was great. What a great movie.
Speaker 2:He's dancing on the keyboard in the toy store jamming out.
Speaker 1:Saving Private Ryan is probably one of my favorite all-time movies that was awesome, forrest Gump. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Forrest was awesome. Forrest gump forrest gump is one of my favorite all-time movies saving private ryan's up there for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so yeah, some good movies out there. But yeah, tom hanks did not find any kona or uh, bush light.
Speaker 1:He didn't find any of that, neither did wilson I was trying to remember how did we get here, what? What were we talking about again? Okay, it's fine, we just, you know, tootle off into the. I had this conversation with somebody just the other night, or whatever we were talking about, it's fine, it's Tangent Tuesday on a Monday, you know, it's just, that's just what happens. We talk about whatever and just the conversation. We'll get in there, but that's right. She actually thought that was funny, she enjoys the episode and thought that it was pretty good. So hello to Angie on that one. So just kind of fun to chat about that. Hi, Angie. So she's going to get us set up with some Colorado beer.
Speaker 2:Oh perfect.
Speaker 1:So I believe, if I remember correctly, you can feel free to shoot me a message and yell at me afterwards when I get it wrong, but I believe Colorado Springs-ish area. Okay, but I know that the Denver area is kind of a pretty hotbed for brewing and Colorado.
Speaker 2:Springs. So local beer to that area, mm-hmm, because what have we done from there? We've done Breckenridge.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:And what Fat Tire Isn't that from out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've done those New Belgium. Yeah, new.
Speaker 2:Belgium, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so a couple of them from that area, but we're going to get some additional options, that's for sure. So I'm definitely looking forward to that. Ship them on over, angie, that will be upcoming for sure. So back to the story of Kona here, as we take another drink of the Gold Cliff IPA. So much talking. I got to make sure I keep my throat moist and ready to go. Keep it going. So there's a couple of beers that they only do on the island Island Colada Wheat Ale, the my Time Wheat Ale and the Hibiscus Brut IPA. So a couple of different options Went down, kind of cool. So here's where some of the controversy starts to come into play.
Speaker 1:In 2012, kona Brewing Company produced 220,000 US barrels of its beer from Kona Brewing and its other production facilities on the mainland. That's what I was talking about the other production facilities on the mainland. That's where things start getting a little bit mucky and getting a little bit weird. As far as where it's from, it's still headquartered on the Island, but you know, it's kind of like it's less of a big thing If you're. You know, like lining Kugel's we talked about this before that you know like it's based in Chippewa Falls, wisconsin, but primarily it's produced by Anheuser-Busch or by a Miller Coors, and so it's usually mostly made in Milwaukee. There's really very little that's made at that location. Of course they're now closing it down. I think they're still going to do the tours, though that's what I just heard. I'd have to double check, but I think they're still going to do the tours, so not like everybody's just losing their jobs. They're not going to make any more beer there, which they haven't really been making a lot for a long time Not too much, sir.
Speaker 2:We'll have to dig into that a little bit.
Speaker 1:So that's one of those things, because to be able to up-produce you either have to build bigger facilities or be able to contract with somebody that can do that. And that's what a lot of smaller breweries if they want to get bigger, they'll just contract with somebody else. That way they can kind of keep their small brewery feel and their tap room and things like that. You see that with a lot of different breweries and it's usually not that big a deal because, like the Linen Kugel's one, it's only a couple hours down the road, still in Wisconsin. Yes, it's on a massive scale and a completely different thing, but you can still go to the thing.
Speaker 1:This one's a little different because it's not like it's well, it's just on one of the other islands, it's on the mainland, it's. Oh, how do you have an authentic Hawaiian feel when you're being bottled in Washington? That's where some of their production facilities are. They have agreed with Widmer Brothers in Portland, oregon, which Widmer is pretty good, that's a pretty solid brewery as well. Then Red Hook Brewery in both Woodinville, washington, and Portsmouth, new Hampshire, so multiple different locations that they brew on the mainland to be able to get up to that production Because, if you remember, they have the new facility that produces up to 100,000 barrels. So that's how they get to the 220,000 barrels, because they were able to distribute a little bit wider, because they could make a little bit more. But you can't just do it yourself unless you build up quite a bit more.
Speaker 2:They've got a facility on each side of the country Washington and New Hampshire which is brilliant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and since those are also subsidiaries of the Craft Brew Alliance, they were also granted access to the Anheuser-Busch distribution network, which that's a little far reaching. So that's probably a reason why we see big wave almost everywhere. Sure so, but that's how they're able to get you know. Through a lot of places like that. They have some of the most technologically sophisticated distributor system in the country, with computer terminal and thousands of independently owned distributors and its own network of wholly owned distribution branches. That's the Anheuser-Busch distribution network, which is no surprise really at all, knowing that. So recipe and beer specifications are dictated by Kona Brewing Company's brewmaster, but again, made all over the country. And I do mean the country because it does include Hawaii, obviously all over the country, and I do mean the country because it does include Hawaii obviously.
Speaker 1:So it is in different locations. Beer brewed at Kona Company's brewing partners utilize Kona's hops, malt and proprietary yeast in order to be able to create that consistent taste. So they are doing everything they can to still make it legit. I guess, if that makes sense, you know again it's. This is a lot less of a big deal if, instead of in Portland Oregon, if this brewery was I don't even know what else is, you know like Eugene Oregon, you know what I mean and they just are, you know, made an agreement there to be able to produce it there. Right, but when you talk about the island feel, I think that's where you kind of get yourself into some hot water. So water is a huge thing too, because, as we all know, without good water you're not going to get good beer. You have to have good water that tastes a certain way. There are so many breweries that have adjusted what they're doing and how they make their beer just based on water. Surly when they built their new tap room had to spend a lot of time doing water samples to make sure they were in the same water table as where they were in their previous one before they built a new one.
Speaker 1:There is a brewery that I had been to called Ancro Lab, a-n-k-r-o Lab in Florida, kind of, I believe, by Naples, if I remember correctly. I'd have to double check. Actually got talking with the owner a couple of years ago. It was kind of funny. So AncroLab, what do you suppose that stands for? Well, nothing at all whatsoever. He said that he tried to submit a million different names and they kept getting rejected, and so he's finally like okay, well, a-n-k those are my initials and then R-O for reverse osmosis how we make the water and I'm like perfect, brilliant, that totally works. So what he does is he does reverse osmosis and strips the water basically down to nothing. It's essentially just distilled water with less taste, which I don't know how you do that, but you know same concept. So it's basically stripped down, but then he adds stuff in to make it taste like certain things. So he actually found a beer in Japan that he really liked and so he got a sample of like the water that they use and he creates it now in Florida.
Speaker 1:Oh, cool, but it tastes exactly the same because he's able to recreate the water. Sure, so the water has become kind of a big thing in brewing too, you know what I mean. Not just throwing a well down and trying to source water that way, right.
Speaker 2:But actually stripping it down and getting it to a certain level. So you know, and just to back it up a little bit, because I just had a thought here, people kind of got kona and a little bit of hot water, kind of claiming it's brewed on the island but kind of not. You know, kind of that. It's a beer from hawaii per se, but it's pretty much manufactured in oregon and new hampshire. You know, do you suppose they do that just for distribution purposes, and how much cheaper it probably is to build a brewery in the Continental 48 and distribute it through the 48? If you built a brewery and brewed everything in Hawaii and had to ship it to the 48 every time, the cost of that would be enormous. Yeah, oh, absolutely. So I wonder if that went into their decision-making of building it in the continental 48, just for distribute, to distribute and get it out there.
Speaker 1:I don't know how much the cost would be, but I would have to. I would have to agree, because if you, unless you're shipping a full container ship worth of beer across like and it's not, it's like a 70, I mean of course, cruise ship wise or whatever like it's a five, six, seven day trip, it sure is ship like yeah it's a six hour flight, you know, from los angeles.
Speaker 2:When I flew from los angeles to hawaii it was six hours, maybe six and a half somewhere, I don't remember exactly. But when you get there, when you're shopping, like for a gallon of milk there was six, seven bucks, and that was seven years ago. Can you imagine if they had to ship beer from hawaii to the us? They're gonna have to eat the cost somewhere or jack up the cost of the beer. And well, if you're paying 10 bucks for a beer, a single beer, people aren't gonna do that like a tap room or a bar. Or if you have to go buy a case of beer from, you know, the liquor store, what's the average case is what? $12, $18 roughly. Well, if they're shipping it up there, who's going to pay $30, $40 for a case of beer? Right?
Speaker 2:So, maybe that was part of their strategy and the reason as to why they have those facilities here.
Speaker 1:And I'm sure that's probably why they probably looked at the numbers and they're just, you know, like if you're shipping I mean I'm not saying it's going to be in a full container ship full because there's a lot of stuff you can get on a container but if you're going to put what four full containers worth of beer I don't even know what, what size container you would need to have to be able to distribute nationwide that much. But we'll say, if you maybe 10 containers beer, that's got to be millions of dollars in just in shipping costs right there for one trip, right? So if you put instead a million dollars towards building a facility on the mainland, now you're already there. You know what I mean. You're still making the same stuff you're making, but I feel like maybe that's a cost benefit, more cost effective kind of deal you would think so that's what I'm going with.
Speaker 2:I'm going with. That's why they built it on the mainland and not on the islands.
Speaker 1:I agree, yep, so some of the Hawaiian roots that they talk about. They have 250 employees working on the big islands, or the random islands, in brewery restaurants and corporate offices, stuff. That's kind of interesting. The rift zone indigenous red ale, which is something that I would definitely have to look up when I go to hawaii at some point in time, is brewed with yeast cultivated and found only on the volcano rifts on the big island. Hmm, so that sounds interesting. Kind of a fun little, fun little deal with that pipeline. Porter is brewed with 100 kona coffee from their neighbor on the big Island, cornwell Estate. The ginger in their Big Island ginger beer is cultivated in Kona. The lemongrass on the lemongrass ginger luau is grown on site at the employees' houses.
Speaker 2:Cool, that's some interesting stuff there, a lot of different things with that.
Speaker 1:Cacao nibs for specialty beers are sourced from the original Hawaiian Chocolate Factory and many, many, many, many more things. So in 2009, Kona was ranked number 14 in all sales of craft brewers in the US 14. That seems really high.
Speaker 2:That was higher than I was expecting, absolutely.
Speaker 1:This is according to the brewers association. Cones beers are available in the united states in 25 states and the district of columbia. I feel like it's maybe wider now, but this might have been just in 2009. So longboard island lager, big wave golden ale and fire rock pale ale available all year. Wayalua pale ale and fire rock pale ale available all year. Wailua pale ale and pipeline porter. Limited reduces of the Aloha series available for six months in bars and grocery stores and specialty beer shops, the wheat ale available from March through August and the pipeline porter from September through February. Then they also announced another Aloha series beer, cocoa brown ale, available to the West Coast in February 2011. Some details here about the caps and the labeling, the collectible caps. I guess these caps are collectible.
Speaker 2:They look like caps to me. Oh, we threw them down.
Speaker 1:So it's a thing, it's fine.
Speaker 2:They're collectible.
Speaker 1:And then the crater in the background is a diamond head, and then the label shows surfers, backed on Hawaii's volcanic mountains, ride blue waves toward Broad and Sandy Beach. So the logo itself echoes tribal tattoo, according to local vibe with his Brutus campaign, with David Bell and Brutus LaBenz who play friends, making observations to mainlanders while discussing Kona beers, which I feel like I've seen some of those commercials, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I have, but Diamond Head is familiar because my daughter and I went hiking and we climbed Diamond Head Crater on Oahu. So that was kind of fun. There you go.
Speaker 1:So some of their sustainability. We talked a little bit about this before, but they support numerous community events throughout the year, including surf and surf-inspired events that celebrate Hawaiian people, land and water. They include sponsoring professional surfers Jeff Silva and CJ Kanua. They also support the Sierra Club's Blue Water Campaign, a number of chapters of the Surfrider Foundation, including the Pacific Northwest and Hawaii's Surfrider Kona Kai'ia chapter.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Just had to get a little taste there. It's getting a little dry again.
Speaker 2:It sounded like a tongue twister.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, it's been known to happen. They also brings the Snow Kona Pond skim to Mount Hood Meadows in Oregon, where each spring, costumed skiers and snowboarders skim across an icy pond. They're able to compete for a number of prizes, among them a trip to Hawaii. That's kind of a fun thing to be able to do. Kona Brewing is also the sponsor of the Portland's Backyard Bang, a snowboarding rail jam event on the streets of Portland's Pearl District and the Art Institute of Portland. So a lot going on, huh. They also supported a 15-city North American tour for the Lost Prophets, a band that I think they only had one big song that I can think of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think there's just one. I recall the name and I know I've listened to them and I know I have some of that downloaded on my computer. But heck, if I can, it escapes me right now I can picture the song.
Speaker 1:I got it rolling in my head, but I just can't get there to the title of it. I feel like it's something about a train, but I don't know. I don't know that I'll get there. Kona had a sustainability coordinator as of 2008. And according to Big Island's Visitor Bureau, sustainable Tourism Practices Section, kona's restaurant was constructed with recycled materials and adorned with native woods, local produce, fresh caught fish and sustainably raised beef on their menu. Heat reclamation processes in the brewery greatly reduce energy demand. Plastic, paper, metal, glass and cardboard are recycled. Takeout containers are made of plant-based materials, and automatic faucets and toilets reduce water usage. So a lot going on there. With that. Yeah, it sounds like it. The last train home. There we go, lost profits. The last train home you'll know it.
Speaker 2:If you hear it, if I heard it, we'll play it.
Speaker 1:We'll have the, the. The tech guy will drop this in here right now and play it through this little interlude while I take a drink of beer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as long as they don't sue us or send us a cease and desist letter, we'll see what we can do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll stay at standard. What is it? Three seconds or something like that, I think. So I don't know whatever it is. So now we've reached the controversial section here we go.
Speaker 1:In March of 2017, kona Brewing Company faced a class action lawsuit. Class action, that means everybody's jumping in the pool. On this one, the claim was whether its beer was actually being brewed in Hawaii or not. I feel like this is, to a certain extent, this is why it says those different locations on the label. I feel like that's part of what it is. I'll read through this and we'll make our own decisions based on what it comes out with here. I feel like it's when the major chip companies sued Pringles because they're not potato chips Potato chips. If you ever look at that thing at Pringles, it says potato crisps because they're cooked a different way, or something like that. You get super petty and then people just make slight adjustments and it's fine. So I feel like it's kind of that same kind of bit.
Speaker 2:And Pringles are kind of fake too. They're not like real potatoes and all that mumbo jumbo either. I saw a documentary about that. They're pretty fake as they get. They're cancer chips, basically.
Speaker 1:I'll take it, though. I love Pringles, just a regular standard Pringles.
Speaker 2:Give me a whole tube of those things I like, the salt and vinegar ones and the dill pickle ones, man.
Speaker 1:Pringles are legit, Even if they are fake. I like fake things too. I can make real things and fake things, it's fine. In September of 2020 2020 the case was settled and appeals were resolved. It doesn't really go into like the details of what it is, but this is. This is the funny part here, so it doesn't give me a full total here. You're gonna enjoy this. Purchasers of Kona beer between February 28th 2013 and June 14th 2019 were compensated up to $20 each with receipts Wow, or $10 each without receipts.
Speaker 2:So we could have just signed on and got a $10 bill. Apparently, where were we at? I know?
Speaker 1:I must have tried some Kona at some point in time during that.
Speaker 2:We could have put that towards another case of beer.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I probably tried it when I had the bar, so I probably had it. I probably don't have the receipt for it, though.
Speaker 2:The fact that people sue for this stuff is getting out of control. It's been out of control for probably 10 years now, but I mean really it just doesn't stop. Really Like who cares where it's brewed? I mean, if they're actively advertising, oh, we brew this in Hawaii, this is homegrown. Okay, maybe you know false advertising, change your advertising. But really Like, yeah, but people just sitting around looking at companies just for things to sue them over.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah. Well, I'm not saying that they don't have money and I'm not saying that businesses don't generally make money, but so many businesses, they have this. Everybody has this viewpoint of like, oh, they're a business owner, they have insurance and all sorts of stuff to be able to pay for that. Well, not necessarily. And even if they have insurance, if it means they're paying out a big claim, their insurance is going to get jacked up or get revoked. Right, you know what I mean? Like that's how some bars end up shutting down because they can't get insurance. I'm not saying that it's okay, but depending on what's going on or whatever, like, yes, hold people accountable, hold people in check, but sometimes it's like, okay, you're suing to sue because you think that they have money, but it may just be a dry hole. You know what I mean? Like they've invested all of their money back into what they're doing.
Speaker 2:And especially these class action lawsuits where you're going to get a whole ten dollars yeah, that's really worth it, you know ten dollars. Or if you have your receipt, you're getting a twenty dollar bill. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So with that, only their beer served on tap in their Hawaiian locations are brewed in Hawaii. All other beer produced by Kona are produced at Craft Brew Alliance facilities in New Hampshire, oregon, tennessee and Washington. As a result of the settlement, all Kona beer had to include a label as to where it was produced. So, like I said, that is why you look on the side of this in Portland or Portsmouth. So that's the story on that. Perfect. It's a little ridiculous to me, but you know you got to sue for something, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's a little out of control. That's a good song by Hoobastank. It is? I don't know that.
Speaker 1:I know that one I do, like me some Hoobastank I do. But I think the last time I seen Hoobie Stank live was at the Metrodome with Linkin Park.
Speaker 2:It didn't really last very long.
Speaker 1:With Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit, if I remember correctly. Oh yeah, it was quite the. It was the first show or first tour, at least, after it was the Linkin Park guitarist that left West Borland after he had left Limp Bizkit. Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not Linkin Park.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, sorry. Yeah, limp Bizkit. Yeah, west Borland, after he had left and they replaced him with. I don't even know who the other guy was, nobody knows. Yeah, they were fine and I don't know the band, just they became what they are today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, West Borland's been back for a long time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, peaked and kind of went back into. They went back to jacksonville they're pretty popular now.
Speaker 2:Again, though. Yeah, come out with a new album soon. They're on tour.
Speaker 1:It's looking pretty good, bring back the 90s, baby.
Speaker 2:Yeah vanilla ice does on the I love the 90s tour. Right, I saw huba stank. It was my first concert ever. It was story of the year. Huba stank, pod and lincoln park, nice, at target center. That's POD. And Lincoln Park, nice, at Target Center that's where that was. That'd be a sweet show. That was a good time, absolutely so.
Speaker 1:Well, that's kind of the story of the Kona Brewing that I got Anything else you want to kind of talk about? I got a couple of ideas kind of rattling around in my head too. Spit them out. Well, I was just going to kind of touch on kind of the there is. There is a little bit of controversy, timely wise, this is the episode is going to come out, probably a couple of weeks from now. So you know this is going to be I don't know old news, this thing or whatever. But there's the controversy now of we could get into the whole discussion of how it was handled afterwards, but the college players or teams football teams especially now want to plant the flag in the center of the field if they get a big upset.
Speaker 1:We've seen this years ago. Baker Meafield, I think, did this when he was in Oklahoma. He did yeah, and that didn't go over real well. We've seen it, I think, twice over this last weekend, was it? I think Florida beat Florida State or something. There was some upset there. Michigan had big upset over Ohio State. Ohio State, yeah. That one got to the point where like cops are like bear mason people trying to be able to get the melee to calm down and whatever.
Speaker 1:And this is going to go, contrasting to what generally, I'm like don't do that, you already won. Like yes't you like, yes, you should have tried harder to be able to win, or whatever, and then they can't do it. But, generally speaking, my mindset is that don't do that, like that's just showing off or that's being whatever. But this is one of those few things that, for whatever reason, I'm like no, yes, it's controversial, it's absolutely controversial and you shouldn't do that. But you know what? Win the game at home. If you lose that game, you don't get to go out there and fight the guys now because they beat you. You should have been fighting during the game, not fighting, but you know what I mean. Like battling and playing harder, playing hard. Yeah, oh, the disrespectiveness. Like you disrespected yourself by losing at home. Sorry about it, bro.
Speaker 2:Disrespecting yourself and losing at home. Sorry about it, bro. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. I really don't know this controversy because I haven't really. Apparently, I'm under a different rock. So I briefly saw something an article or a clipping or a headline that Baker Mayfield was talking about it. So maybe it was a clip on the social media, but I just didn't really listen and was scrolling through like everybody else.
Speaker 2:And the flag planting, that doesn't bother me one bit If you win a big game. The Michigan-Ohio State, they want to plant their M on the center of the Ohio State field. Why not? It's no different to me from all those battles that different schools have. We'll just take the Gophers, for instance, the battle axe. They grab the axe, they're waving it around the center field. We play Penn State for the bell right, we play Iowa for the pig. All those different colleges that square off for those trophies that they pass back and forth just between the two teams of tradition.
Speaker 2:What's the big deal of putting a flag in front too? You know, I don't see a problem with it. You know, if you're disrespecting the stadium or defacing the stadium or doing some crazy acts like that, I'd have a problem with that. But if you just go out to the midfield and you're waving your school's flag because you won, so what? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:From that standpoint, what's funny is you don't see a lot of big fights and melees when there's a big upset and a team storms the field and they tear down the goal posts right like that's not a cheap thing to replace, no, and now a school has to pony up the money that's likely going to come out of the budget for the school or whatever. I'm sure they'd make it up somehow or file an insurance claim or whatever.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, like that's one of those things, like you said, is actually defacing, essentially defacing a stadium. Was it Gopher fans that did it when they like I don't remember they pulled off some upset or whatever they actually like, they somehow got part of it out of the Metronome, they tore it down and they ran it up the stands and they got it out the door, okay, so I don't, I don't recall that, what I thought.
Speaker 2:I don't remember if it was gopher fans, but earlier this year in college football I don't know if it was vanderbilt or somebody they lost in their home stadium and the visiting team who it escapes me at this current moment tore down the goalpost, like you said, and it ended up carried like three or four miles away and they threw it in the river that was down the road, like that's a problem. I mean that's funny. I mean I think that's funny, but come on, now that's a bit much.
Speaker 1:But you don't see like a fight or a melee or you know like a lot of stuff with that, but like planting of. You know, like it's a symbolic gesture. You're not creating actual damage and it's like if you still have enough fire in you to fight somebody after a game. Clearly you left something on the field, right, agreed, and maybe it was your pride that they're putting that stake right through. But you know what? And if you don't like it, you should have played better during the game. Right, you lost that game. Your job now is to sit there on the sidelines.
Speaker 1:That's why I always have great appreciation for like, especially like championship games, big games, things like that or whatever, when they come out with the trophy presentation. But you see, like the one lonely guy that's like, no, I'm going to sit my ass right here and I'm going to watch that and I'm going to make sure that it hurts so that I don't experience that again. You know what I mean. Like that, I have a lot of respect for that Like, not that like getting a championship, but like if it's, let's say, you win a title on somebody else's court, you're still getting the trophy and you're having this big display, right?
Speaker 1:Is that not kind of the same thing. It is the same thing in my eyes. I mean it's, but instead there's ticker tape and TV and everything's involved. It's kind of the same kind of bit. It's just you know, sit there your job, you lost the game you did.
Speaker 1:And, yes, there's a level where you know like you shouldn't go like uptown and, like you know, steal their women and pee on their cars or something I don't know. But at the same time, like there's a certain level of like of all the things that are disrespectful, I feel like that's pretty low on the list. If you have that much pride that you won't let somebody do that, then you have to play better during the game. That is your punishment for losing the game. Like you said, they're not defacing things, they're not ruining things. It's not like they went out there with bleach and made a big M in the middle or something like that, that they're going to have to have that for months and years or whatever in the field. It's a symbolic gesture that's going to go away in about 15 minutes.
Speaker 2:Right, and if you want to, you said symbolic gesture. You know what happens in like you could equate sports. A lot of them have to battles. You know you're battling on the field or the court or the ice. Well, what happens when the winner wins the battle of a war or a skirmish or whatever?
Speaker 1:they plant their flag on the fort or the hill or the land, or it's one of the most famous pictures and the most famous sculptures is them raising the flag. You know, is that Iwo Jima? Like it's one of the most famous things ever to be able to do that. So that's what, that's what you I mean. Yeah, if you're going to, as commentators, make that reference, that's what's going to happen there, you go Right now.
Speaker 2:obviously battling in football is not battling in a real war, but in the, in a figurative sense. You know you're battling on the field for the victory of the day. So if you want to plant your flag there, fine, for a couple of photo ops, whatever. And if you're the, the home team and you lost and you don't like it, we'll go beat their ass next year on their field and plant your flag in front of on their logo. Yeah, you know like what's the problem?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, and that's, and that's why I think it's a little bit funny that like no-transcript, but at the same time it's like stop him, Shut him down. I mean, it's easier said than done.
Speaker 2:Don't get me wrong, I get it, but that's your penance for not being able to stop it. Yep, I agree.
Speaker 1:100 so I don't know, I just thought that was kind of interesting a little bit. But I guess the michigan, ohio state one. It got so bad and so many people on there and everybody was like started to fight and it became kind of a brawl. Cops had to come out there and separate everybody and they were like macing people to get them to back off and stuff like that. Wow, it got almost riotous out there on the field.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know I watched that game. I watched it, but I turned it off right after I left the house, or something.
Speaker 1:I don't know what I did. You missed the good stuff.
Speaker 2:I haven't even paid attention all week because, you know, working third shift, I had no clue that this was some big deal or some big melee at Ohio State. You know, it was crazy. That's what the game was. It was at Ohio.
Speaker 1:State. Yeah, it was at Ohio State.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It was a 22 point. Like 22 and a half was the line that Ohio State was favored by, and then Michigan won.
Speaker 2:That's too bad, yeah, I can't stand either team.
Speaker 1:I don't know. You could have just imploded the stadium at that point. It would have been fine with me, but yeah, that was just kind of I don't know. That was the thing that I had kind of rattling around in my head, so I don't know if you had anything additional, but that was about all I had. No, I don't All right. Well, that's kind of our episode then of the Kona. We didn't even give any ratings. Let's hear it Lawnmower, this is pretty smooth drinking Probably a couple of them on the lawnmower.
Speaker 2:Two, three, two and a half. I'll go two and a half. Yeah, I'd prefer this more at a fire. I'd say three and a half on the fire scale because it is an IPA, so it's a little bit bitter-ish, but not because this is an interesting tasting beer, the Gold Cliff IPA, the pineapple flavor. It might be better sitting in the fire, but I would drink two and a half of them after mowing the lawn, for sure.
Speaker 1:It's definitely. Yeah, the pineapple adds kind of that refreshing flavor to it. It does, For sure, it sure does. So, yeah, go out and get yourself some Kona, wherever it's brewed at, or whatever controversial location that they reproduce the exact same thing at. So, but I don't know, I still call it a Hawaiian thing because that's where they came up with it and that's what it's going to be and that's where their flavors are from, Even if they ship them to somewhere else. To put it together, it's, you know, imported cars are made somewhere else and domestic cars are parts from somewhere else made. Pretty much, it's fine.
Speaker 2:It's fine, you know, now that you brought this up, okay, uh-oh.
Speaker 1:We've opened a can of worms.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Here we go.
Speaker 2:Let's open this one here. We're going to try this and we probably won't talk about this one too much. We're going to at least take a sip of this one.
Speaker 1:We'll much we're at least take a sip of this one. Well, let andy pronounce what the hell it is, because we all know I don't talk and enunciate or pronounce shit. Right? So it's a hanalei island ipa. All right ale brewed with passion fruit, orange and guava, with natural flavors added, which, if you have to add them, are they natural flavors?
Speaker 2:then, at that point in time, I don't know, but it tastes like passion, oh it sounds like you're gonna to be passionate about something here. I'll be somewhat passionate here. So you brought up car parts and this and that Kind of saved my collectible bottle cap here.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, you kind of bent it, though. Ah, dang it. So I don't know if it's worth anything anymore. So the car manufacturer that builds the majority of their car parts and assembles it in the united states, what company do you think that is kia, toyota, okay, how is that? For fun, you know all americans, oh, buy american made. Well, then you better buy a fucking toyota, because that's the number one car that's assembled, processed, built everything here, everything here, parts, everything United States. Down on the list, nissan's, even higher. I don't know about Kia.
Speaker 1:I was making something. I was just trying to think of a way to get the idea, but like GM and Ford, you know all the-. They've outsourced so much.
Speaker 2:Canada and Mexico is where most everything's built, sourced and built. So if you buy a gm or a four vehicle, no, you're not buying an american-made vehicle. If you want to buy an american-made vehicle, you buy a toyota, yeah american designed.
Speaker 1:Maybe that might be kind of about it yeah, maybe if that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's kind of sad, you know, kind of sad that that's the way it is, but I read that I don't know handful years ago, so that's kind of my little take on that, so I don't need to get too far in it. But you brought up the car. So if you want to buy an American-made vehicle, buy a Toyota.
Speaker 1:Well, and it's funny, maybe we should get a class-action lawsuit for the commercials that say the best-selling American-made truck of all time.
Speaker 2:That's the F-150.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it's like 40 years and running Something like that. At least that's what their advertising always says. So their advertising is fake advertising, false, false.
Speaker 2:We should dig in. Hey, you want to dig into that? Leave a comment. We'll all join a class action lawsuit.
Speaker 1:Exactly, ford, here we come. I didn't keep my receipts, so I'm only going to get $10 out of the deal, but it's fine, right, we're going to get some high-priced lawyer that's going to take all of the money for the class action lawsuit.
Speaker 2:Well, hopefully they'll do it pro bono.
Speaker 1:There we go.
Speaker 2:Because we're not making any money. Well, we could trade them, these collectible caps there we go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe if I can figure out top off without getting bent.
Speaker 2:You better talk to your wife about this. So on that note.
Speaker 1:You know we made it all the way through to the end of an episode. It's fine, it's fine. This stuff is pretty good, though this the Hunnally not quite as easy drinking as the Gold Coast, but it's still pretty.
Speaker 2:Not super heavy ipa, but uh, still pretty good though yeah, I don't like it, that's all I have to say. It's it's not very passiony, it's not very fruity. I don't like passion fruit. How about that? I don't know what passion fruit is. But there you go. Pineapple beer is good. The passion, the passion fruit, is not Less good. That's all I got. There we go.
Speaker 1:That's his story. He's sticking to it. Folks, I don't have a description on it.
Speaker 2:I would drink it. It's fine. It's fine, it's fine. But I don't. Guava passion fruit. Nah, that's not for me. That would be a pretty good seltzer. Yeah, wouldn't be too bad.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, either way, go get yourself some Kona, whatever flavor it is you want to get, if you want to get the same mix pack that we got. There's four different kinds in there the Longboard Lager, the Big Wave, the Gold Coast IPA and the Hanalei IPA all in there. So probably one of the more common, I guess, mixed packs that you'd get for Kona. Otherwise you're mostly just getting the big wave mostly. But yeah, definitely go out and check it out and leave us your reviews and tell us what you think of that and tell us what you think of the episode. If you have any ideas about future episodes, definitely let us know. We had a couple of people ship us some beer. We're happy to be able to do the research on your behalf and bring you an episode about whatever it is that you want to hear. So happy to be able to do that. I will say that coming up in a future episode. We can say it now because by the time this episode will come out, I think that we will have recorded said episode. Yes, we should. So even though it sounds like we're breaking news here, it won't be broken until after. But if you're watching this episode, any future episode coming up in, probably released in between a month and six weeks, regardless.
Speaker 1:Check out Pete's Out Barbecue P-E-E-T-Z O--U-T Barbecue on Instagram, different social media. He's now selling some of his ribs and different barbecue, kind of individually packed and frozen. He's been able to kind of work on that and it's been kind of fun to talk to him and see kind of the process. Never see the process, but see him go through the process of. I'm not just going to like take ribs, toss them in a ziploc and toss them in the freezer and hope they don't get freezer burn by the time they get to you.
Speaker 1:It was legitimately. I'm not going to do this if they're going to suck coming out of the bed because that's it's. That's not what you know what he wants to be able to do. He's pretty, pretty intent on some good quality. So but Pete's out barbecue, get yourself some barbecue, because we're going to do an episode with Clint Pete's here coming up with some of his barbecue. He doesn't know this yet, but we've already bought the barbecue we're going to have on the episode. So we're going to have beer and barbecue on the episode. So definitely reach out and see if you can get yourself supplies. I'm sure running low because I I don't know how much he's made, but I know that it was very popular when he put it out there with, you know, friends and family kind of locally.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I know he had. He posted on the pizza barbecue Facebook page. He only had like four or five spots left on his next cook. And when you talk about him smoking and cooking, he doesn't just have a little peterbilt smoker on his deck, he's got one that you uh tow behind your truck like it's a legit smoker. He he's an award-winning smoker. He's won multiple awards this summer. Um he's no joke.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah he's a competition, barbecue is what he does and it's amazing stuff and it looks incredible and I've been wanting to spend some more quality time with his barbecue and him, I guess. But yeah, that'll be coming up on a future episode. So, definitely, when you listen to this episode, go directly to Pizza Out Barbecue and find it with you again, whether it's Instagram, facebook. Hopefully you'll be able to secure yourself some some pizza out, likely. You know, we did talk to him about what beer he wanted to have and I think it's going to be a pretty light beer that day. He likes Bush Light. It's going to be. I don't think it's going to be a Bush Light episode.
Speaker 2:We're not doing Bush Light. We'll have a lighter beer, but it won't be Bush Light.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll get him a lighter lager beer, but we'll talk about a different brewery, maybe something local or something. But nonetheless, definitely go to his information, be able to hopefully secure yourself some and then eat along with us, as we're going to try to get some, maybe those little finger towelettes or whatever you know because get a little barbecue sauce.
Speaker 1:Yes, you will. Yeah, Make sure you get that. You know I don't do a lot of hair and makeup before, obviously before episodes, so you know we'll have a little bit of that to be able to work through as well. So but yeah, look forward to that. That'll be one of the first times we've had a guest on the episode and we're going to put him right here in the middle, maybe a little off center. I don't want to see kind of the way that works out, so we're kind of experimenting as we go, but I think it'll be fun to be able to have another person on the episode and be able to bring you not only beer but some barbecue. Yep, because what goes good with barbecue? Beer and what goes good with beer Barbecue Awesome.
Speaker 2:See, it's all coming together.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, but for now that's our story on this one and, yeah, that's kind of what we got going on. We appreciate you listening, Like, share, subscribe, tell everybody about it and let us know if you have any feedback on the social media or YouTube, wherever you're checking out. But until next time, it's about time to Hanalei.
Speaker 2:Out of here, there we go. Aloha, cheers, cheers.
